Letting agreement advice

Thanks Lusco! Yes, it's a bit more complete and also assures that she gives me enough notice to move out.

Appreciated
Antonio

mantonas wrote:

tearnet wrote:

Walk away, she will rip you off!
There are loads of places to let in Mellieha, save money in the long run by staying in a hotel for a week or so and sort out a place to stay.

Good luck.

Terry

Thanks for the advice Terry! I was actually thinking about that option. We are a family of 3 people, do you know any B&B around Mellieha with reasonable prices where we could stay for few days until we sort our thinks out?

Cheerio,
Antonio

Not B&B but might be of your interest: http://www.tripadvisor.com.br/VRACSearc … a%2C+Malta

B&B:
http://www.booking.com/hotel/mt/splendi … se.pt.html

Thanks again Lusco!

I was told that the Hotel Panorama in Mellieha, has probably one of the cheapest prices around there.
Will keep looking anyway.

Cheerio

Just take out the word 'renew' and leave in vacate.
Have you got a first refusal to renew clause?

mantonas wrote:

georgeingozo wrote:

Let's say a week before lease expires you are admitted to hospital, or. Are In the UK and for some reason can't return. If you are a 1 day late that's a 3000 bill

Well, that's true but that would be really unlucky and if I would leave in good terms, only someone really nasty would do that.

not necessarily...people and lanlords change once you have signed up for the lease.... believe it or not.....it is your choice at the end of the day and you are the only one that has to live with the consquences....be very very careful of the amiable smiley smiley landord..... the fact that they even thought about putting those terms in place would have been enough for me to run a a mile.

georgeingozo wrote:

toonarmy9752 wrote:

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a look at a recently supplied bill will prove what rates will get used,

not necessarily - could be on residential rates now, but if the old tenant moves their residential address within Malta, it could go back to domestic

yes of course... that would be the exception. but one has to start checking at some stage...most landlords and estate will not advertise the true facts nor will they tell you openly what the rates really are.... they become very vague with comments like - "dont worry its very cheap" or "look its domestic - its ok" and we all know thats not true.

toonarmy9752 wrote:

mantonas wrote:

georgeingozo wrote:

Let's say a week before lease expires you are admitted to hospital, or. Are In the UK and for some reason can't return. If you are a 1 day late that's a 3000 bill

Well, that's true but that would be really unlucky and if I would leave in good terms, only someone really nasty would do that.

not necessarily...people and lanlords change once you have signed up for the lease.... believe it or not.....it is your choice at the end of the day and you are the only one that has to live with the consquences....be very very careful of the amiable smiley smiley landord..... the fact that they even thought about putting those terms in place would have been enough for me to run a a mile.

I agree with Toon, landlords = crocodile smile.

They will promise with a wave of the hand and a smile, then once you have signed and paid ( usually in cash ) they suddenly become difficult to contact or very busy.
I don't think I know of anyone who has got a deposit back!

Terry

the point i was trying to make (not very well) was that in asking to view a recent bill in most cases will prove that the domestic rate is applicable.

never take a landlord at their word - they will break it....and use every trick in their book of tricks to avoid paying a deposit back to you and not do repairs or not do as they originally agreed generally doing ti the cheapest and nastiest way possible. and not always to your satisfaction nor standards.

Lusco wrote:

If you want to use your last modification I would add something like the text in bold: "Should the lessee refuses to vacate the property at the termination of this agreement, either for causing problems or in case the lesser notify in writing the tenant at least 1 month in advance the need of the apartment for his/her own use, the lessee will pay a monthly fee of Euros 3000 until he/she vacates the said property."

She has agreed with those terms! Thanks again for the advice Lusco
Cheerio,
Antonio

so the landlord can break the lease at one months notice ? I personally wouldn't agree to that without compensation to cover the costs of finding a new place.

Not just like that George, only one month before the end of the tenancy agreement, in case she needs the property back for any reason.
During the year of the contract, she won't be able to terminated just like that.
End of the day, it's her apartment and if she needs it back, I cannot stop her to do so...

Ah, good :-)

slowly getting to reasonableness from your prospective landlord, although I still think the 3,000 euros is excessive

""Should the lessee refuses to vacate the property at the termination of this agreement, either for causing problems or in case the lesser notify in writing the tenant at least 1 month in advance the need of the apartment for his/her own use, the lessee will pay a monthly fee of Euros 3000 until he/she vacates the said property.""

I read that as saying the landlord can terminate the lease at any time (with one months notice). This is the problem in having leases drawn up by non-professionals

I think so too Geeorge but what she told me was that the 3000€ were to cover any expenses she might have in case she needed to take the tenant to court.
But to be honest, I am not to bother with that amount coz 1st, I am not a trouble maker and 2nd, if she wants the property after the year's contract, who am I to stop her

something to bear in mind - a landlord is at their nicest when signing the lease. Renting in Malta is a renters paradise - there are tens of thousands of empty properties- a good landlord should be falling over themselves to get a decent tenant. If they are playing silly whatsits now, what will they be like once you've signed ?

That's a fair point George and I know what you meant by that. I haven't made any commitments in regards to the apartment as yet. When I get to Malta, I will meet her personally and we will take it from there. If in case I am not happy with the apartment or if I notice that she's trying to fool me around, then I will try other options.
I hope everything goes well and smoothly, but, we never know!

Fingers crossed

Hi.

I've been following this forum, and particularly this thread, with interest. It seems like it would be a good idea if there was a list of recommended real estate agents to deal with for this forum (in a similar vein to the excellent recruitment agencies thread). I suggest this because in the past, the type of agent I've dealt with has often determined how well my living experience has gone with regards to deposits, rental agreements, etc.

If I were to post a question about this, would anyone be able to respond with some useful information?

cheers,

- Peter

georgeingozo wrote:

I read that as saying the landlord can terminate the lease at any time (with one months notice).

Why?

Should the lessee refuses to vacate the property at the termination of this agreement...

clearly says that the clause is just related to the termination of the agreement. Just after that text there is a "parenthetical element" between commas, which does not change the quoted text, it just add some information.

without defining termination of the agreement, which isn't necessarily at its expiry

why not just say

"Should the lessee refuse to vacate the property at the expiry of this agreement, the lessee will pay a monthly fee of Euros 3000 until he/she vacates the said property."

KISS principle

georgeingozo wrote:

without defining termination of the agreement, which isn't necessarily at its expiry

There should obviously be another clause that explains the termination of the agreement. BTW I totally agree with you that the use of a professional is usually worthy, specially in a case like this one where you are in a new country.

The terms of the lease are either written by someone who doesn't know what they are doing legally, or someone who knows exactly what they are doing. You are assuming the former. I hope you are right.

there is no such as thing on malta as an ethical good estate agent - theyre all the same and work mainly for the landlords...theyre are in it together to fool the unwary new tenants.