PR Approval Chances 2021

Hello everyone
Here  are my details.
Gender: Female
Age: 39
Family: Divorced No Children
Citizenship: Indian
Education: Master's of Arts
Current Job: Sr IT Engineer ( Permanent Job)
Annual Salary: Around 125K
In SG since Feb 2016 (On & Off due to contract job)
Looking for some inputs to assess my chances of getting an approval.
Applied last month.

As single, non-Chinese female (almost) too old to have kids, you are not in the preferred group. Hope that your job skills are specialised and rare enough to make a difference! (Or make a baby, preferably boy, with a Singaporean husband - then you are a shoo-in!)

Are those Singapore government policies? Where did you find those details? And just by her citizenship how do you know that her ethnicity is not Chinese? Who are you ?

Moreover, a woman is not a human reproductive machine. I think you should apologize to her.

Expat247, cool down, don't need to be hyper here. What Beppi said unfortunately some or most parts of his statement are true. You can Google and know more details about it.

I don't want to get into details but ethnicity quota plays a vital role here.

Tech gal, about chances of your PR approval, with limited information given above, looks like a 50:50 chance. Good luck

The Singapore authorities do not publish their criteria for PR approval. The above are my observations and conclusions from hundreds of PR applications I came across over a long time. (I myself have been PR for 20 years.)
I did not say I endorse or agree to these policies. (In fact, I don‘t - but my opinion does not matter in this.)
If anyone, the Singapore authorities should apologize for racial and gender issues in these criteria. But I don‘t think they will.

The authorities, as inventors of "social engineering", want to keep Singapore's current social structure and harmony. They consider it works well.
Unfortunately, the Singapore Chinese have the lowest birth ratio of all local groups.
The obvious solution (for a nation dependent on immigration, as all attempts to induce Singaporeans to have more babies failed) is preferably admitting Chinese in child-bearing age or families with kids.
Male kids are preferred because of NS (National Service) - i.e. military needs.
Overseas Chinese are preferred over mainland Chinese due to political reasons and cultural similarity.
If you do not like the policies they choose, you can either move elsewhere or become Singaporean and influence Singapore politics by yourselves then. The first step for the second option is becoming PR.

Hi, thanks for your information.

We have just applied for PR 3 in Feb 2021 for entire family. We are Vietnamese staying here from 2014. Family income around $150k (husband: EP - Tech lead - IT; wife: sales - LOC just got approval). Kids are in local schools (admission through AEIS) and the son is 13 y/o.

Do you think we have chance for this time? Last time I think 3-4 years ago we applied and got rejected. This time is 2nd time.

Thanks 🙏

Hanah: Looks like good chances. Good luck!

beppi wrote:

Hanah: Looks like good chances. Good luck!

Thanks.

Do you think now we have higher chance to get PR in this Covid time while lesser immigrants (so lesser applications 🤔) and we are here still surviving having stable jobs etc...?

@Beppi  While I appreciate your input I strongly believe that Singapore is a progressive place. It constantly seeks well-balanced and highly competent individuals to join the workforce and contribute positively to the economy. I am confident that even if my application is rejected, it would be based on other factors than ‘child bearing age'
I don't believe Singapore authorities stand for such policies. I don't think i need husband or I have to produce a male child to become Singapore PR. I am 100% sure about that and that's why I applied for PR. 😊 Wish me good luck

Thanks Surya. I appreciate your response. Let me know if you need more details to asses my chances for PR approval. 50:50 sounds encouraging ! Thank you !

Techgal: I do wish you good luck (and I like your optimism)!
What I wrote is based on many years of following PR application and approval trends, plus reading between the lines or government publications (since there is no official, direct statement). The focus of immigration has clearly shifted, in recent years, from attracting highly skilled individuals assisting the economy to supporting (or forming) desirable (as defined by them) social trends.

Honestly no one knows..just wait for your response and luck..

beppi wrote:

As single, non-Chinese female (almost) too old to have kids, you are not in the preferred group. Hope that your job skills are specialised and rare enough to make a difference! (Or make a baby, preferably boy, with a Singaporean husband - then you are a shoo-in!)

Err!

Kingkongkar wrote:

Honestly no one knows..just wait for your response and luck..

Err...I kind of do!

:cool:

What do you know , let me hear that as well ?

Techgal wrote:

@Beppi  While I appreciate your input I strongly believe that Singapore is a progressive place. It constantly seeks well-balanced and highly competent individuals to join the workforce and contribute positively to the economy. I am confident that even if my application is rejected, it would be based on other factors than ‘child bearing age'
I don't believe Singapore authorities stand for such policies. I don't think i need husband or I have to produce a male child to become Singapore PR. I am 100% sure about that and that's why I applied for PR. 😊 Wish me good luck

Sadly, what @Beppi says is true. They usually approve Indians, overseas Chinese, and Malaysians. The truth is, no matter how progressive Singapore as a country is, in terms of their immigration and residency policy, they still base it on non-progressive factors such as your race and yes, your ability to bear children, and your specialised skill contribution. Take a look at Canada or New Zealand for example, they have points that you can refer to so you'd know “how much” approval chances you'd get. It's because they refer to this system entirely to approve you. While in Singapore, there is no point system whatsoever. They don't even interview you. They mainly refer and look at your ethnicity, age, skills. That's it and that's the sad truth haha! And I'm not saying it's valid but if you look at Singapore, it's a very small country. If they had based their residency on points like Canada or New Zealand, they won't be able to stop a lot of people from coming in. Now, given that they base it on things they can control, things that are decided by a human, there are more chances of them decreasing anyone's chance of becoming a PR and suffering from over population.

I myself have thought of applying PR for years but I know it won't be possible for them to approve me unless I marry my boyfriend and we produce a child. It is indeed sad but that's just the hard truth.

Time for a friendly quote & sincerely wish you the very best.
"Quote"
Most of us avoid telling the truth because it's uncomfortable. We're afraid of the consequences-making others feel uncomfortable, hurting their feelings or risking their anger. And yet, when we don't tell the truth, and others don't tell us the truth, we can't deal with matters from a basis in reality.
"Unquote"
Jack Canfield

Quite a number of valid points quoted here !
We have been in Singapore for over 6years . We have 2 kids ( a boy and a girl.. both born in Singapore). We applied for PR as a family last year and it was rejected. What we came to know later was every year they have a quota for number of PR application approvals. We plan to apply again this year. But it's definitely going to get more stringent!

It is great that a lot of expats make Singapore their country of residence, but whilst you aspire to get PR status, I have often come across a lot of applicants who keep applying, without really giving their application a stern look and assessing if some critical things are in order. For instance,

1. Term in SG is not the only decisive factor for PR
2. Nationality is for segregating your application, there are quotas applicable here
3. Your salary alone doesn't warrant an approval, you + spouse together look good on paper, but that's not enough
4. Making boy babies in SG isn't sufficient to get a PR approved :), it's a myth amongst others now

What truly matters, plus the experts here can add to this or share their opinion too-

1. Critical to call out how you have injected yourself in the community - don't do things for PR status in the literal sense, if this is your home now, do things that contribute to the society/ community and make it count from within

2. Your skills/ area of expertise sure matter. If you are from the analytics domain, cyber security, etc for instance- the government is keen to see overall development and advancements in these areas, PR could be an inch or few inches closer

3. Keep your candidacy clean :) (violations of law is something you should absolutely avoid) - let's face it, nobody wants trouble makers

4. Investments in long term plans/ funds definitely help, shows that you intend to live in SG (one leg in your home country, one leg in SG without a definitive future, nada)

5. Participate in clubs, take memberships to network, make friends beyond workplace. Golf, Cricket, Footie buddies won't hurt

6. Have you given back to the society? Donate to help a cause, it can't get better as the Govt appreciates the act of kindness (giving.sg is a great start)

7. I've seen people pump savings into their home country bank accounts, why? If you want to live and stay in SG, avoid it unless absolutely critical for personal reasons

8. Avoid agencies, you can best describe yourself and why you feel you should be granted PR (you will burn a lot of money for a cover letter from a PR agency)

This isn't exhaustive, just sharing what I commonly see with applicants.

We were advised almost the same by a dear friend a couple of weeks ago. Hopefully this time around our application goes through as we have added quite bit of significant changes to our application compared to last year's  !
All in all, we love Singapore and are forever grateful to the Government for keeping us all safe during these uncertain pandemic days. 🙏

Great discussion!
Things were very different when I became PR in 1999 - I don't think someone with the same specifics would be approved today. (But I at least lived and worked here for many years, married a Singaporean and we have two kids.)

Thanks Beppi, and all the best SSK1986 (with the application).

I have seen a few threads on the forum, people just ask what are the chances of getting PR, without really outlining ‘on what basis do they ask'. The forum members can't give that info out, but just guide based on experience/ facts- what's good to have in an application or what sure helps.

It's a lot to key in, I mean the factors that boost your PR chances, just thought I'd call out what I know of.

beppi wrote:

Great discussion!
Things were very different when I became PR in 1999 - I don't think someone with the same specifics would be approved today. (But I at least lived and worked here for many years, married a Singaporean and we have two kids.)

... a few years ago, citizenship wasn't an uphill task either :)

Shekhz wrote:

... a few years ago, citizenship wasn't an uphill task either :)

True.
I never applied for it, because both Singapore and my home country disallow dual nationality. Stupid politics!

Very helpful discussion indeed! Points highlighted by Shekhz and to some extent Beppi, make sense and sound more reasonable. And as the 'male baby or for family with kids'  theory is concerned, that is mostly a myth.  We've many rejected applicants with male kids. One of my connection with two boys, has been trying for past 7 years with no luck. I believe forum should uphold it's etiquette & contribution by meaningful moderators. And discourage any sort of racist, age and gender based bullying. Thanks again for your service !

Hi all,

Sharing my current situation after my PR was just rejected:
- Applied on my own merits in July 2020
- Nationality: French
- Married to SC wife since 1.5 years. She works too but salary is much lower than mine.
- Wife with 1 boy (also SC) from previous marriage, and I have 2 kids from previous marriage too
- We also bought apartment here (1 year ago)
- Age 41 this year
- 18 years experience, annual income >250k
- 5.5 years in SG

I believe few things were not in my favor like ethnicity, not enough time married, age and 1st time applying probably... So we'll wait one more year to apply again.

Any suggestions which you believe could strengthen my next application?

Thanks a lot for your comments & all the best with the ones pending of their PR results.

DJ69: Age sure is a critical aspect of the entire application, usually below 40 is what increases your PR chances. Nevertheless, please see the pointers above in this post where I've called out a few critical things to consider while applying for PR. Hope that helps.

Thank you Shekhz for your answer!
Yes thanks for the tips, I'll review carefully all the previous comments to see what I can leverage to robust my next application.
Cheers

Hi! on the topic of age. Does it make a difference who is first applicant and who is spouse, when someone is applying for PR?
In my case, I'm 32 yrs (f) old with annual salary of around S$200k and my husband is 38 years old with annual salary around S$350k (S$250k base). We don't have any kid as of now.
Should we give more weightage to age or salary here? Or it doesen't matter as we'll be applying as a couple and both will be given equal weightage irrespective..

I think it shouldn't make a difference who is the main applicant.

Hello Everyone,

I just recently got my PR rejected and this is the letter I received.

They mentioned "You may submit an application again if there is any change in your circumstance" what do they actually mean by this?

Is this the standard rejection letter?

Raj1993: This means that there is no need to apply again unless something in your profile changes that makes you more attractive for Singapore. They leave it up to you to guess what that may be. (And without knowing your profile, I can also not help you guess.)

Hi, I would like to know what is the current trend on PR approval. I am a EP holder( recently,, was on DP previously) . I am in IT in one of the banks. I am in Singapore for 7 years. My husband is a Tech VP in a bank too. He is here for 13 years since he graduated. Both are Indians. Have completed Bachelors in Information Technology Engineering. We have a daughter currently going to K1 in a childcare. we applied pr in 2016, 2017 , Dec 2020. The third one also got rejected. I was on DP then. What are the chances of getting PR? We are planning to apply this year again 6 months after the rejection. The family income is around 215k. Thank you.

Intuitivemind wrote:

Hi, I would like to know what is the current trend on PR approval. I am a EP holder( recently,, was on DP previously) . I am in IT in one of the banks. I am in Singapore for 7 years. My husband is a Tech VP in a bank too. He is here for 13 years since he graduated. Both are Indians. Have completed Bachelors in Information Technology Engineering. We have a daughter currently going to K1 in a childcare. we applied pr in 2016, 2017 , Dec 2020. The third one also got rejected. I was on DP then. What are the chances of getting PR? We are planning to apply this year again 6 months after the rejection. The family income is around 215k. Thank you.

Why are you posting the same ‘ask' again? You just did post the exact same query a few hours ago. Does this help get you a PR?

Humble request, stop spamming. People here take their time out and try responding to the best of their abilities/ experience/ know how, respect their time if nothing else. Thanks!

Hi beppi, thanks for replying.

My profile

Age: 28
Nationality: Indian
Work Experience in Singapore: 6 years
Occupation: Safety Officer in the railway industry   
Qualification: Undergraduate from India
Local qualification: Registered as Workplace Safety Officer in MOM.

When they mention change in circumstances, I'm just puzzled and don't know what it is.

Raj: For example marrying (preferably a Singaporean) would strengthen your case, or having a child (preferably male).

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Hello, I have a quick question regarding my chances. I do not obtain any education in life and I'm wondering if I qualify for PR because I would need to leave that as blank.

Gender: Male
Age: 31
Family: Single
Work pass: EP
Citizenship: German
Education: No
Work Experience: 11 years
Current Job: Permanent Job in IT
Annual Salary: ~85k a year

Thank you! :)

ptorr wrote:

Hello, I have a quick question regarding my chances. I do not obtain any education in life and I'm wondering if I qualify for PR because I would need to leave that as blank.

Gender: Male
Age: 31
Family: Single
Work pass: EP
Citizenship: German
Education: No
Work Experience: 11 years
Current Job: Permanent Job in IT
Annual Salary: ~85k a year

Thank you! :)

Most definitely & I'm sure if you are not successful here many other developed countries (countries that recognize talent) would love to have you as a resident :
Why even Steve Jobs, Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg all left college before they could collect their diplomas.
Infact Peter Thiel even encourages talented students to drop out of college by funding a scholarship that awards recipients with $100,000 if they quit.
I say never give up hope & keep trying maybe include a full write out of the work you do with those impressive 11yrs of work experience.
Best of luck.
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