Vicces1 wrote:.....
fluffy2560 wrote:HU and PL vetoing the EU budget will backfire. People won't forget that quickly. These types of people need to get themselves a life and worry about more important things than the LGBTQI community. When they legalised gay marriage in the UK, it did nothing at all. The sun still came up and the world was still turning. Now no-one really cares or pays attention. Just a political convenience to have an enemy to fight. HU and PL can always leave the EU if they don't like it. People here like the EU but if it's a choice? O1G or EU?
I can't help but think it will backfire, but am wondering how. EU admins have tolerated O1G and Poland for too long and now they've created monsters. I must say that if I were a French or Dutch or German (name contributing country of choice), I would be like, why do I ask my citizens to pay for your corruption? Nope, you have no right to our money and you are welcome to leave if you can't agree on a rule of law. There are plenty of other countries who are willing and able to meet these basic principles. Previously, the EU funds were about 4-5% of HU GDP and allowed for considerable knock-on effects and investment. Now with the virus hitting economies, you really can't argue that following some simple rules of human decency is too much to ask. It's not like it would completely turn off the money taps for O1G's corruption. Again, if I were a contributing country, I would be happy not to have to pay into this budget for a time, stonewalling until Poland and Hungary's financials start crashing. The only problem being that I live here and need stable finances. I do think that recent movements have made my moving out of Hungary a serious possiblity in future years, as much out of necessity as the changing political environment..
There's a lot in that big post so I will cherry pick.
My own thinking is that O1G wants to be out of the EU so he can go full-on Putin but without the resources he'll need a sponsor. And that's going to be Putin. His interest is holding power regardless of who is sponsoring him - power is more important than anything minor like the population. And holding power keeps him out of jail.
What I don't understand is why not take the EU money and then ignore any controls downstream? It's not like it's anything different to what went before.
Just another handy pot of money to raid for corrupt politicians and their cronies and then prepare to sell out O1G and leave him holding the baby. They could just start filtering it out and then retire to Monaco or Dubai and retire to their parked up yachts.
BTW, I misspoke, I meant Sean Connery wanted to break up the UK. So like him as Bond but his undermining of the country makes him almost like Blofeld or at least Blofeld's cat controlled by some higher power.
Trivial bonus question, what's Blofeld's cat's name? BTW, it's not Fluffy.