Coronavirus: Stay in RP or Go Back Home?

Hi,

Curious to see what happens with being able to fly back to the US if the coronavirus continues to spread. Almost every Asian layover airport is in a country with an epidemic.

I am supposed to be getting elective surgery when I return, putting it off until my wife gets her CR1 Visa. 

Then, there is the trouble of being able to return to the Philippines once I am healed....

I had plans to go to the UK in late April or early May but I have put off booking a flight until I can make sense of which way this thing is going....... right now it seems to be getting worse day by day.

moonunit0103 :

Hi,

Curious to see what happens with being able to fly back to the US if the coronavirus continues to spread. Almost every Asian layover airport is in a country with an epidemic.

I am supposed to be getting elective surgery when I return, putting it off until my wife gets her CR1 Visa. 

Then, there is the trouble of being able to return to the Philippines once I am healed....

You should wait for now until the spread is controlled. Only when they let go of internationally cancelled flights would you consider returning for surgery. That gives you a greater chance to be able to go back to PI.

moonunit0103 :

Hi,

Curious to see what happens with being able to fly back to the US if the coronavirus continues to spread. Almost every Asian layover airport is in a country with an epidemic.

I am supposed to be getting elective surgery when I return, putting it off until my wife gets her CR1 Visa. 

Then, there is the trouble of being able to return to the Philippines once I am healed....

Fly direct on Philippine Airlines. No stopovers.

just an example
https://www.google.com/flights?q=manila … 1;t:f;tt:o

13 hr flight [at] $900

Philippine Destiny :
moonunit0103 :

Hi,

Curious to see what happens with being able to fly back to the US if the coronavirus continues to spread. Almost every Asian layover airport is in a country with an epidemic.

I am supposed to be getting elective surgery when I return, putting it off until my wife gets her CR1 Visa. 

Then, there is the trouble of being able to return to the Philippines once I am healed....

Fly direct on Philippine Airlines. No stopovers.

just an example
https://www.google.com/flights?q=manila … 1;t:f;tt:o

13 hr flight [at] $900

More expensive for 16 hour flight to NYC, also nonstop, taking it 4/21/20.  Hope your wife gets her visa soon, probably 6 months or more from date filed.

Sorry wrong link

I wouldn't wait too long as you never know what the current administration is going to do to lock things down.  But I generally fly one of two routes that avoid the long 14 hour flights.. and also avoid the worst Asian stopovers:

1. PAL from Manila to Honolulu in Premium Economy (my current route). PAL Premium Economy doesn't cost much more and it's roomy like the old Bus class used to be. It's never full up there so you're also less likely to catch something on the plane. Spend a day or two in HNL relaxing, and fly directly to your US destination, bypassing LAX, SFO, etc.  I'm booked on this one at the end of the month but might bump it up to mid-March just in case.

2. The other option is Delta from Manila to Portland or Seattle - via Japan. I used to fly that route to PDX all the time, has a two hour layover at Narita, hopefully no problems but riskier than Honolulu.

Either one of those options avoids the worst Asian hotspots you mention.

The world is currently in a state of flux at present with travel restrictions changing daily.  To plan where to travel (to and from is near on impossible).

For Australia they are (and i think always will) letting Australian citizen's  (not sure if that includes residents or not) back into Australia, all be it with the possibility of 2 weeks of quarantine in Australia.

Returning to the Philippines may be another issue, for a citizen or resident or non resident may be the problem, as some like me live here on a tourist visa.

We know that this virus is been spread (internationally) not by the people who lack finance to travel, rather by the people with wealth who can afford to travel.   - my warning here is that do not assume that rich and wealthy are immune from Covid 19, quite the opposite.   Sitting in the airline lounge at an airport may be the worst thing you do.

Any aircraft you get on may have one sole person on it who has the Covid 19.  For Australian's this mean's, if you are on that flight, self or compulsory isolation for 2 weeks on return to Australia.

The saving grace for the people that live in the Philippines, is that it is an island country, isolated by from mass land border crossing's.  Even domestically a people fly or travel via a water port when transiting from one island to another.  This means that you are monitored.  Thus the spread is reduced. 

However for everyone that does travel domestically, if one other person on that flight or vessel has Covid 19, means the possibility that you may be isolated for quarantine purposes on the island you arrive on, for us with money, hopefully we would be able to self isolate in a hotel, i would hate to see the Philippines government accommodation for quarantine isolation.

On a purely personal and yes extremely selfish perspectivee the sooner Covid 19 is properly embedded in both the Philippines and the Australia the happier i will be.  As i and my wife to be have a 3 month vacation coming up in May 2020, once both countries have it, the travel restriction of country to country to country will be dropped.  Australia knows and has stated that they cannot stop it getting worse in Australia, than it already is.

One thing i would recommend is that if possible, get the flu vaccination as soon as it is available, as people showing flu signs and symptoms will be initially considered has having Covid 19.

pnwcyclist :

I wouldn't wait too long as you never know what the current administration is going to do to lock things down.  But I generally fly one of two routes that avoid the long 14 hour flights.. and also avoid the worst Asian stopovers:

1. PAL from Manila to Honolulu in Premium Economy (my current route). PAL Premium Economy doesn't cost much more and it's roomy like the old Bus class used to be. It's never full up there so you're also less likely to catch something on the plane. Spend a day or two in HNL relaxing, and fly directly to your US destination, bypassing LAX, SFO, etc.  I'm booked on this one at the end of the month but might bump it up to mid-March just in case.

2. The other option is Delta from Manila to Portland or Seattle - via Japan. I used to fly that route to PDX all the time, has a two hour layover at Narita, hopefully no problems but riskier than Honolulu.

Either one of those options avoids the worst Asian hotspots you mention.

are those one way tickets and if so what do they run?

Round trip for both. One way will probably be just as expensive.

I usually pay $1200-1500 R/T for the PAL flight (Prem Economy) from HNL to CEB, going through Manila.  Of course I have to get to and from Honolulu but that's pretty cheap and I use FF my saved miles.

The flight from PDX or Seattle is usually $1000-1200 R/T, going through Japan. That's in Economy Plus or whatever they call it, but it doesn't compare to the PAL Premium Economy which is amazing.

Very expensive I just returned to the Philippines from Oklahoma City March 6 one way From OKC to Manila $563

I don't know about tourist here in Davao but the Mayor has told those not living here in Davao to leave and I doubt immigration will renew your visa if your a tourist

Okieboy :

I don't know about tourist here in Davao but the Mayor has told those not living here in Davao to leave and I doubt immigration will renew your visa if your a tourist

Best to be prepared...saw the presidents live speech last nite...It looks very bad & he is taking some very drastic measures...Lock Down is but one of them!....He also raised some other scary points and asked barangay captains to act immediately!

pej1111 :

The saving grace for the people that live in the Philippines, is that it is an island country, isolated by from mass land border crossing's.  Even domestically a people fly or travel via a water port when transiting from one island to another.  This means that you are monitored.  Thus the spread is reduced.

An other important factor the Philippines is not a major destination for vacationers or travelers. Unlike the US who before had thousands of Chinese arrive daily.

Hell, when I lived in Las Vegas, thousands of Chinese arrive weekly, they filled the Hotel California and Gold Coast Casino Hotel.

Now is a good time to purchase airline tickets, prudent shopping will get you a good deal, but only purchase tickets that can be cancelled without fees.

W9XR :
pej1111 :

The saving grace for the people that live in the Philippines, is that it is an island country, isolated by from mass land border crossing's.  Even domestically a people fly or travel via a water port when transiting from one island to another.  This means that you are monitored.  Thus the spread is reduced.

An other important factor the Philippines is not a major destination for vacationers or travelers. Unlike the US who before had thousands of Chinese arrive daily.

Hell, when I lived in Las Vegas, thousands of Chinese arrive weekly, they filled the Hotel California and Gold Coast Casino Hotel.

Now is a good time to purchase airline tickets, prudent shopping will get you a good deal, but only purchase tickets that can be cancelled without fees.

Agreed with many points raised....but many huge airlines are close to bankruptcy/planes grounded with mass lay-offs planned ...so I'd love to take advantage of these offers....but just "NOT YET"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co … index.html

Okieboy :

I don't know about tourist here in Davao but the Mayor has told those not living here in Davao to leave and I doubt immigration will renew your visa if your a tourist

My understanding is that we cannot fly to Manila from Davao, as domestic flights to Manila are cancelled, so we cannot leave. Unless you have any other news on flights from Davao to Manila?

In brief my understanding is that the mayor wants us to leave but there are no flights.  We cannot/may not be able to get a visa extension.  There are no flights from Davao to Manila.  Please correct anything i have been miss informed on.

I live just out of Davao, and have a trip to Australia planned on the 29th of April and my tourist Visa is up on the 9th of April, (I got two months when i arrived) by going straight to get an extension the day i arrived in Davao about 6 weeks ago.

Okieboy :

Very expensive I just returned to the Philippines from Oklahoma City March 6 one way From OKC to Manila $563

PAL tickets non-stop Manila to JFK, 16 hours, currently over $800 each for April 21st.

Last I heard Manila is locked down for travel by sea, air and land from March 14 through April 15. My wife and I was supposed to travel to Cebu from JFK March 13. We were aleardy checked-in on PAL I had to cancel. PAL is giving me full refund.
If I were in the countryside in the Philippines, I would not fly back. I would just continue to enjoy the beach.
If I were in Manila, I'm long gone.

Hi There, I wonder what happens where ex pat 3 years has expired, for example in the next 2 weeks. He/she has to leave the country & return again
But now its locked down .I suppose immigration will extend until virus all clear...any views...Thanks

manwonder :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/16/business/airlines-bailouts/index.html

The sky is falling!!!

The airline industry just found another reason to ask money from the government.

But they won't hesitate to nickel and dime the passenger.
You want the window seat? $50
You want aisle seat? $50
You want a seat?

Jackson4 :
manwonder :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/16/business/airlines-bailouts/index.html

The sky is falling!!!

The airline industry just found another reason to ask money from the government.

But they won't hesitate to nickel and dime the passenger.
You want the window seat? $50
You want aisle seat? $50
You want a seat?

Turn on the news. . . . . . .

President Trump has pulled a Bernie Sanders, giving away the Treasury. Up to a Trillion USD
if necessary.

Airlines, hotels, travel industry, small & large businesses . . . . . .checks to every American. Promises that no business will fail and they will make their payroll immediately. A chicken in every pot.

A happy ending for everyone. . . . . Are we in Angeles City?

:D

New news: https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/03/18/20/ … -dfa-chief

"Locsin added foreigners who want to stay during the quarantine are welcome, and shouldn't worry about visa extension."

My wife is stuck in Cagayan de Oro, was supposed to fly through Manila to the US last Sunday. Missed it by 1 day. I'm looking for alternative routes for her.

State Department in US has basically said come back immediately or stay put where you are...but your on your own if you do.   Obviously with family and baby here I’m not going anywhere.

My only concern is with limited health care capacity and the fact that 20% of Covid19 infected will require some level of care....not sure that will be available.  Also any future effective treatments will not be readily available here.   

Best policy is stay healthy and isolate as best as possible.  Cebu has only one reported confirmed case but I’m sure the spread is wider than that.

No visa extensions going forward but there is no penalty for overstaying...so wait it out.  I just extended for six months but hen I’m also getting close to my three years.  Seems they will be flexible considering the difficulty in travel.

Got tickets to return USA, gonna try to move if up from 4/21/20 to 3/22/20 or whatever they can do for us.  Got a PAL Manila phone number to call, now I gotta find a phone which can make the call, wife's phone no can do.  Need to have my nephew drive us 8 hours to NAIA if we can get a change. Stay tuned.

I am happy to stay here especially given the figures of what's happening in Oz.
Given total cases per million.

2 cases per million in RP.
30 cases per million in Aus.

I have no need to return to Oz so I agree with minimalist, wait it out if you can. OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

All things been equal (based on my elderly parents in Australia).

I agree with Big Earl, the number of cases and the spread rate is less here in the Philippines 8% per day increase in number of cases, than Australia 30% increase in cases per day.  The only consideration is that the mortality rate of those infected is higher in the Philippines than in Australia.


As a side note and appreciate it is off topic  (sorry)

I sometime think (if i could be for sure that I would get immunity after initial infection and recovery) that it is better to get it now:  The hospital's are not so busy.   In the end we can't stay locked up for months and months on end, and it will be months at best, until a vaccination is found.  I think that we all recognize that at best 50% (many say 80%) of the people around the world will get it.

What no one wants is to get it when the infection rate is at it's peak, hospital's will be overloaded.  So it would be best to get it before the peak or get it after the peak.

pej1111 :

All things been equal (based on my elderly parents in Australia).


What no one wants is to get it when the infection rate is at it's peak, hospital's will be overloaded.  So it would be best to get it before the peak or get it after the peak.

On American news yesterday, they say a medication developed for Malaria years & years ago, maybe be the answer.

mugtech :

Got tickets to return USA, gonna try to move if up from 4/21/20 to 3/22/20 or whatever they can do for us.  Got a PAL Manila phone number to call, now I gotta find a phone which can make the call, wife's phone no can do.  Need to have my nephew drive us 8 hours to NAIA if we can get a change. Stay tuned.

Mug,

Myself I wouldn't fly in an airtight tube for hours breathing recycled air from possible infected people who do not know they have the virus.

Now in the Captains cabin, they breath air that's much higher quality and fresh from a different source compared to the canon fodder behind his door.

Why add extra negative variables to a bad equation? If you're trying to escape the virus, there are better ways.

A reply to my own post, Mug check if you will be in quarantine when arriving in US.

bigpearl :

I am happy to stay here especially given the figures of what's happening in Oz.
Given total cases per million.

2 cases per million in RP.
30 cases per million in Aus.

I have no need to return to Oz so I agree with minimalist, wait it out if you can. OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

Most of the numbers are skewed due to unavailability of test kits.  Italy is probably the most accurate model for how it will affect other countries.  The big thing is the asymptomatic spreaders.  Yet, at checkpoints, they still check temperatures, that only screens out maybe 20-30% of infected.

W9XR :
pej1111 :

All things been equal (based on my elderly parents in Australia).


What no one wants is to get it when the infection rate is at it's peak, hospital's will be overloaded.  So it would be best to get it before the peak or get it after the peak.

On American news yesterday, they say a medication developed for Malaria years & years ago, maybe be the answer.

Chloroquine is a pretty toxic drug with many side effects.

W9XR :
pej1111 :

All things been equal (based on my elderly parents in Australia).


What no one wants is to get it when the infection rate is at it's peak, hospital's will be overloaded.  So it would be best to get it before the peak or get it after the peak.

On American news yesterday, they say a medication developed for Malaria years & years ago, maybe be the answer.

Chloroquine is a pretty toxic drug with many side effects. Here is a list from the internet site drugs.com:

Check with your doctor immediately if any of the following side effects occur while taking chloroquine:

Incidence not known

Anxiety
attempts at killing oneself
back, leg, or stomach pains
black, tarry stools
bleeding gums
blistering, peeling, or loosening of the skin
blood in the urine or stools
blurred or decreased vision
change in near or distance vision
chest discomfort or pain
chills
cold sweats
confusion
continuing ringing or buzzing or other unexplained noise in the ears
cough
dark urine
diarrhea
difficulty in focusing the eyes
difficulty with speaking
difficulty with swallowing
disturbed color perception
dizziness
dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up suddenly from a lying or sitting position
double vision
drooling
fast, slow, irregular, or pounding heartbeat
feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
feeling that others can hear your thoughts
feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
fever
general tiredness and weakness
halos around lights
headache
hearing loss
inability to move the eyes
increased blinking or spasms of the eyelid
joint or muscle pain
large, hive-like swelling on the face, eyelids, lips, tongue, throat, hands, legs, feet, or sex organs
light-colored stools
loss of balance control
lower back or side pain
muscle trembling, jerking, or stiffness
muscular pain, tenderness, wasting, or weakness
night blindness
nausea
overbright appearance of lights
painful or difficult urination
pale skin
pinpoint red spots on the skin
puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue
red skin lesions, often with a purple center
red, irritated eyes
restlessness
shuffling walk
skin rash, hives, or itching
sore throat
sores, ulcers, or white spots on the lips or in the mouth
sticking out of the tongue
stiffness of the limbs
sweating
swollen or painful glands
tightness in the chest
trouble breathing
tunnel vision
twitching, twisting, or uncontrolled repetitive movements of the tongue, lips, face, arms, or legs
uncontrolled movements, especially of the face, neck, and back
unusual bleeding or bruising
unusual tiredness or weakness
upper right abdominal or stomach pain
vomiting
yellow eyes and skin.

moonunit0103 :
bigpearl :

I am happy to stay here especially given the figures of what's happening in Oz.
Given total cases per million.

2 cases per million in RP.
30 cases per million in Aus.

I have no need to return to Oz so I agree with minimalist, wait it out if you can. OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

Most of the numbers are skewed due to unavailability of test kits.  Italy is probably the most accurate model for how it will affect other countries.  The big thing is the asymptomatic spreaders.  Yet, at checkpoints, they still check temperatures, that only screens out maybe 20-30% of infected.

Definitely hear you moonunit as the numbers are always skewed whether this current pandemic, unemployment rates, inflation rates etc.

What I see and yes only my observation is that while a third world/developing nation is taking this very seriously and implementing some forms of control, my own country, supposedly 1st world (my government, family and friends have blinkers on) is seriously lagging behind what most other countries including the Philippines have already accomplished.

Again OMO but Italy's major downfall was people not adhering to government directives and also that government for not pushing harder. Look at Italy today, everyone is self isolating but how many deaths did it take to achieve this?
I would also ask how many test kits were/are available in the Philippines? Australia? The US? Whether the numbers are skewed or not matters little given what is to come in the next few months or longer then the rebuilding of world economies trying to feed those that are starving through no fault of their own, this will be a long crawl back to January 2020 but we will do it.
Sorry for the rant and only an opinion.

Cheers, Steve.

moonunit0103 :
W9XR :
pej1111 :

All things been equal (based on my elderly parents in Australia).


What no one wants is to get it when the infection rate is at it's peak, hospital's will be overloaded.  So it would be best to get it before the peak or get it after the peak.

On American news yesterday, they say a medication developed for Malaria years & years ago, maybe be the answer.

Chloroquine is a pretty toxic drug with many side effects. Here is a list from the internet site drugs.com:

Check with your doctor immediately if any of the following side effects occur while taking chloroquine:

Incidence not known

Anxiety
attempts at killing oneself
back, leg, or stomach pains
black, tarry stools
bleeding gums
blistering, peeling, or loosening of the skin
blood in the urine or stools
blurred or decreased vision
change in near or distance vision
chest discomfort or pain
chills
cold sweats
confusion
continuing ringing or buzzing or other unexplained noise in the ears
cough
dark urine
diarrhea
difficulty in focusing the eyes
difficulty with speaking
difficulty with swallowing
disturbed color perception
dizziness
dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up suddenly from a lying or sitting position
double vision
drooling
fast, slow, irregular, or pounding heartbeat
feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
feeling that others can hear your thoughts
feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
fever
general tiredness and weakness
halos around lights
headache
hearing loss
inability to move the eyes
increased blinking or spasms of the eyelid
joint or muscle pain
large, hive-like swelling on the face, eyelids, lips, tongue, throat, hands, legs, feet, or sex organs
light-colored stools
loss of balance control
lower back or side pain
muscle trembling, jerking, or stiffness
muscular pain, tenderness, wasting, or weakness
night blindness
nausea
overbright appearance of lights
painful or difficult urination
pale skin
pinpoint red spots on the skin
puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue
red skin lesions, often with a purple center
red, irritated eyes
restlessness
shuffling walk
skin rash, hives, or itching
sore throat
sores, ulcers, or white spots on the lips or in the mouth
sticking out of the tongue
stiffness of the limbs
sweating
swollen or painful glands
tightness in the chest
trouble breathing
tunnel vision
twitching, twisting, or uncontrolled repetitive movements of the tongue, lips, face, arms, or legs
uncontrolled movements, especially of the face, neck, and back
unusual bleeding or bruising
unusual tiredness or weakness
upper right abdominal or stomach pain
vomiting
yellow eyes and skin.

Drooling?Attempts at killing oneself? :lol:

W9XR :
mugtech :

Got tickets to return USA, gonna try to move if up from 4/21/20 to 3/22/20 or whatever they can do for us.  Got a PAL Manila phone number to call, now I gotta find a phone which can make the call, wife's phone no can do.  Need to have my nephew drive us 8 hours to NAIA if we can get a change. Stay tuned.

Mug,

Myself I wouldn't fly in an airtight tube for hours breathing recycled air from possible infected people who do not know they have the virus.

Now in the Captains cabin, they breath air that's much higher quality and fresh from a different source compared to the canon fodder behind his door.

Why add extra negative variables to a bad equation? If you're trying to escape the virus, there are better ways.

Not trying to escape the virus, have many things to take care of back in PA.  Looks like we won't be able to change our 4/21/20 flight.  No one answers the phone at PAL.  Cheapoair has a chat function to change flights.  After waiting for 2 hours I was informed 111 people are ahead of me.  Said the volume of requests is higher than usual, a travel agent will chat with me shortly.  Maybe I'll try again next week.

O

mugtech :
W9XR :
mugtech :

Got tickets to return USA, gonna try to move if up from 4/21/20 to 3/22/20 or whatever they can do for us.  Got a PAL Manila phone number to call, now I gotta find a phone which can make the call, wife's phone no can do.  Need to have my nephew drive us 8 hours to NAIA if we can get a change. Stay tuned.

Mug,

Myself I wouldn't fly in an airtight tube for hours breathing recycled air from possible infected people who do not know they have the virus.

Now in the Captains cabin, they breath air that's much higher quality and fresh from a different source compared to the canon fodder behind his door.

Why add extra negative variables to a bad equation? If you're trying to escape the virus, there are better ways.

Not trying to escape the virus, have many things to take care of back in PA.  Looks like we won't be able to change our 4/21/20 flight.  No one answers the phone at PAL.  Cheapoair has a chat function to change flights.  After waiting for 2 hours I was informed 111 people are ahead of me.  Said the volume of requests is higher than usual, a travel agent will chat with me shortly.  Maybe I'll try again next week.

I was supposed to fly on the 17th to Germany.  When things started hitting the fan I realized I couldn’t go.  I tried for five days to reach Expedia to change my flight as Singapore Airlines  (who I was able to reach) insisted I needed to change my flight with the travel site I used.  The phone number never connected or said all agents were busy and try again. The chat line connected once but the estimated quer was five hours.  I finally gave up and lost my opportunity to reschedule.  Lesson learned is to never use third party booking sites but only to search for fares...then book directly with the airlines.

Mugtech
Quick note! My neighbor is call center agent that works for Cheapoair.ph and they have 5 agents working where they usually have 400! I spent 2 hours on phone last night and this is how it went! Once my call was answered i was put on hold immediately! I was caller 443 and at 39 minutes into the call i had estimated wait time of 2 minutes. At 41 minutes it said estimated wait was 15 seconds and it said that every 15 seconds until i ended it at 2 hours and 31 minutes! Tried the insurance number and 2 hours no live person lol! Today another two hours and got to caller 76 and then all my chat history dissapeared and i was caller 238! never a third party vendor again

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