Coronavirus - forced fever check by condo admin

Hello, all,

Sorry to make my first post an unpleasant one.

I received this email today from the apartment property management company (HCMC D2) and I am shocked and more than a little worried about potential for Kafkaesque insanity.
Has anyone been subjected to this kind of invasion?
This seems highly illegal to me. Any advice?

Here's the letter (abridged)

As part of Coronavirus (nCoV)’s prevention program, The Management ("Management") is pleased to announce that from 7 Feb 2020 onwards, our personnel will conduct body temperature check for all who entered the building.

For cases of deliberately evading body temperature checks and lack of cooperation, the Management Office will apply the necessary actions.

In case of detecting a person with a body temperature higher than 37.5 degrees, the Management Office will request temporary isolation in a separate area and notify the Preventive Medical Center for medical checks.

Jurassic :

This seems highly illegal to me. Any advice?

Advice: try to leave your canadian definition of "illegal" back home, and be happy that people are working actively to prevent an outbreak.  :top:

They're gonna use something like this to check your temperature: https://secrepro.com/en/product/digital … mometer-4/  :lol:

If they didnt take preventative measures and you got sick, who would be the first person to moan and groan about the lack of preventative action.....YOU.

Uh, no. I would not.

atomheart :

They're gonna use something like this to check your temperature: https://secrepro.com/en/product/digital … mometer-4/  :lol:

:o



Good one  :D

I’m actually piloting the procedure in my building.   But I’m not taking shortcuts.

If your fair dinkum , Rectum temperature checks are the only way to go .
I’ve been standing in the lobby all day with my trousers off ....only thing I’m wearing is a pair of rubber gloves & my Brass diving bell incase someone farts during the procedure.

You can never be too careful.

Jurassic :

Uh, no. I would not.

So if an infected person passed this on to you and the management had no prevention measures in place...you wouldnt have a moan...interesting.

But here you are having a moan about the preventative measures, how ironic.

Ontheroad57 :

I’m actually piloting the procedure in my building.   But I’m not taking shortcuts.

If your fair dinkum , Rectum temperature checks are the only way to go .
I’ve been standing in the lobby all day with my trousers off ....only thing I’m wearing is a pair of rubber gloves & my Brass diving bell incase someone farts during the procedure.

You can never be too careful.

Nice flatulence detection outfit.

I am happy that people who know what they are doing are working to contain an outbreak.

This does not include some condo management flunky who hasn't been trained, using a thermometer that hasn't been calibrated.

One good thing,,the massage joints here in NT are quiet.
With the 200,000 a month Chinese trade gone , the locals won’t go near those places.

If they’ve been rubbing down a sick chinaman for an hour & who knows what else they’ve been getting up to .....only the brave, desparate & stupid will be going to those places.

I’d say the sex tourists will all become “owner operators”.

Jurassic :

Hello, all,

Sorry to make my first post an unpleasant one.

I received this email today from the apartment property management company (HCMC D2) and I am shocked and more than a little worried about potential for Kafkaesque insanity.
Has anyone been subjected to this kind of invasion?
This seems highly illegal to me. Any advice?

Here's the letter (abridged)

As part of Coronavirus (nCoV)’s prevention program, The Management ("Management") is pleased to announce that from 7 Feb 2020 onwards, our personnel will conduct body temperature check for all who entered the building.

For cases of deliberately evading body temperature checks and lack of cooperation, the Management Office will apply the necessary actions.

In case of detecting a person with a body temperature higher than 37.5 degrees, the Management Office will request temporary isolation in a separate area and notify the Preventive Medical Center for medical checks.

When I was about to board the Greenlines high-speed catamaran from HCMC to Vũng Tàu the other day, no one was allowed to get on the boat without staff first taking their temperature using an electronic forehead sensor.

I didn't ask if they were trained or if the instrument was calibrated, and I am a Registered Nurse.

Did you hope everyone would join you in your anger when you posted here?

I'm pretty sure you will find that the majority of us see you as that one difficult person who holds up the line while refusing to go with the flow.

At a time such as this, people with your self-centered attitude get in the way of those attempting to help the rest of us.

Please take a deep breath, let out a huge sigh and then focus on getting out of the way.

Jurassic :

I am happy that people who know what they are doing are working to contain an outbreak.

This does not include some condo management flunky who hasn't been trained, using a thermometer that hasn't been calibrated.

Or sanitised. Good idea to help prevent the spread of the virus but the operator may actually spread it. Temps are usually taken with an ear probe.

OceanBeach92107 :
Jurassic :

Hello, all,

Sorry to make my first post an unpleasant one.

I received this email today from the apartment property management company (HCMC D2) and I am shocked and more than a little worried about potential for Kafkaesque insanity.
Has anyone been subjected to this kind of invasion?
This seems highly illegal to me. Any advice?

Here's the letter (abridged)

As part of Coronavirus (nCoV)’s prevention program, The Management ("Management") is pleased to announce that from 7 Feb 2020 onwards, our personnel will conduct body temperature check for all who entered the building.

For cases of deliberately evading body temperature checks and lack of cooperation, the Management Office will apply the necessary actions.

In case of detecting a person with a body temperature higher than 37.5 degrees, the Management Office will request temporary isolation in a separate area and notify the Preventive Medical Center for medical checks.

When I was about to board the Greenlines high-speed catamaran from HCMC to Vũng Tàu the other day, no one was allowed to get on the boat without staff first taking their temperature using an electronic forehead sensor.

I didn't ask if they were trained or if the instrument was calibrated, and I am a Registered Nurse.

Did you hope everyone would join you in your anger when you posted here?

I'm pretty sure you will find that the majority of us see you as that one difficult person who holds up the line while refusing to go with the flow.

At a time such as this, people with your self-centered attitude get in the way of those attempting to help the rest of us.

Please take a deep breath, let out a huge sigh and then focus on getting out of the way.

OceanBeach.
Valid point. I see no reason to object to the temp check. How effective that will be is another issue given the varying incubation rates, but I guess it all helps. Whether travelling on a crowded catamaran to other places is advisable in the first place could also be debatable.

The outbreak paranoia needs to be put into perspective.
The common influenza virus which has been around for many many years worldwide has, quoted from WHO, had the following mortality rate last year :
"Until recently, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated the annual mortality burden of influenza to be 250 000 to 500 000 all-cause deaths globally; however, a 2017 study indicated a substantially higher mortality burden, at 290 000-650 000 influenza-associated deaths from respiratory causes alone, and a 2019 study estimated 99 000-200 000 deaths from lower respiratory tract infections directly caused by influenza".

Compare this to the currently recorded death toll of Coronavirus of 680 and it puts things into proportion. Yes take sensible precautions, but leaving one country to go to another will not necessarily reduce the risk of contracting what is after all yet another variation of the Influenza virus. Each country try has its own risks to life, via disease or other factors, long or short term.

Indices :

Compare this to the currently recorded death toll of Coronavirus of 680 and it puts things into proportion.

And if you zoom out, you notice that about 2000 closed coronavirus cases about 30% resulted in death. And since 26 jan the number of confirmed cases grew tenfold. In 4 weeks if it grows with this rate, we'll have 3 million cases and if the fatality rate stays 30% that's 1 million deaths. But you can ignore numbers and choose only ones that support your stance...  :kiss:

Also, see how the chart of number of confirmed cases is getting steeper, we might get to 3 mil in a lot less than 4 weeks.

http://www.kepfeltoltes.eu/images/2020/02/06/171corona_infection_growt.png

This would motivate me to start running... then let them check tempeture 😆

atomheart :

They're gonna use something like this to check your temperature: https://secrepro.com/en/product/digital … mometer-4/  :lol:

LOL...LOL...LOL

Jurassic :

Hello, all,

Sorry to make my first post an unpleasant one.

I received this email today from the apartment property management company (HCMC D2) and I am shocked and more than a little worried about potential for Kafkaesque insanity.
Has anyone been subjected to this kind of invasion?
This seems highly illegal to me. Any advice?

Here's the letter (abridged)

As part of Coronavirus (nCoV)’s prevention program, The Management ("Management") is pleased to announce that from 7 Feb 2020 onwards, our personnel will conduct body temperature check for all who entered the building.

For cases of deliberately evading body temperature checks and lack of cooperation, the Management Office will apply the necessary actions.

In case of detecting a person with a body temperature higher than 37.5 degrees, the Management Office will request temporary isolation in a separate area and notify the Preventive Medical Center for medical checks.

Why are you complaining??? lol.... They are doing this is to project you and everyone surrounding! You should thanks them for that! Be thanksful and be Happy..... :)

As infectious as this virus is, it would not take much time at all for it to spread far and wide. It would overwhelm the health-care infrastructure in no time. China threw up a brand-new hospital in record time with BARS on the windows in Wuhan. I suspect China under-reported the infections by an order of magnitude. I suspect they turned away a large portion of marginal cases because they ran out of test kits.
I also suspect the virus death toll is being wildly underreported as well, with the majority of home deaths being attributed to pneumonia. The crematoriums are running at full-blast, each doing 100 or more per day. The death rate has surpassed SARS.
A report from Johns-Hopkins estimated the infections were 10 times what was reported, and the death rate was 30 times that of the flu. Anyone comparing this to the flu is just being stupid - there is no comparison. China would not be taking the draconian measures we see if this was not the case. This is costing China BILLIONS at a time when they can NOT afford it. All of the major airlines are refusing to fly to China. Vietnam has shut down the schools. The US is quarantining returns from China at military bases for two weeks at government expense. This is bad, bad, bad.

Submit to the temperature checks and be damn happy to do it.

It’s more of random checks as they only check people walking in front desk but not folks going in from garage.

Jurassic :

Hello, all,

Sorry to make my first post an unpleasant one.

I received this email today from the apartment property management company (HCMC D2) and I am shocked and more than a little worried about potential for Kafkaesque insanity.
Has anyone been subjected to this kind of invasion?
This seems highly illegal to me. Any advice?

Here's the letter (abridged)

As part of Coronavirus (nCoV)’s prevention program, The Management ("Management") is pleased to announce that from 7 Feb 2020 onwards, our personnel will conduct body temperature check for all who entered the building.

For cases of deliberately evading body temperature checks and lack of cooperation, the Management Office will apply the necessary actions.

In case of detecting a person with a body temperature higher than 37.5 degrees, the Management Office will request temporary isolation in a separate area and notify the Preventive Medical Center for medical checks.

I'm currently in Dist 2 and they check my temperature every time I walk in the building. It's just an infrared device they point at my forehead. 5 to 10 seconds, tops.

I'm also a survivor of SARS back in 2003. My temperature was checked at my hotel during a one day layover. I had a fever and was quarantined to my room for two weeks with regular house calls by a doctor. Inconvenient, yes, but I was already sick. It's not like the hotel caused it.

If you really have an issue with government interference in your plans, then I would sincerely recommend you keep your travels to Western countries. "Go along to get along" is the rule of thumb in Asia.

atomheart :
Indices :

Compare this to the currently recorded death toll of Coronavirus of 680 and it puts things into proportion.

And if you zoom out, you notice that about 2000 closed coronavirus cases about 30% resulted in death. And since 26 jan the number of confirmed cases grew tenfold. In 4 weeks if it grows with this rate, we'll have 3 million cases and if the fatality rate stays 30% that's 1 million deaths. But you can ignore numbers and choose only ones that support your stance...  :kiss:

That surely is what you are doing.

Current stats as of 6 hours ago.

6th February 2020 nCoV
Wuhan novel coronavirus 2019

Confirmed cases 28,358
Confirmed deaths 565 ( 1382 recovered )
27 countries

Lancet 31 January 2020
Estimated infections January 25th 2020 was
75,815 ( 37,304 - 130,330 )
Doubling time 6.4 days
31st January 151,630
6th February 303,260

? ? 6,000 deaths

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaIjwvjBwqg&t=226s

Jim-Minh :

Current stats as of 6 hours ago.

6th February 2020 nCoV
Wuhan novel coronavirus 2019

Confirmed cases 28,358
Confirmed deaths 565 ( 1382 recovered )
27 countries

Lancet 31 January 2020
Estimated infections January 25th 2020 was
75,815 ( 37,304 - 130,330 )
Doubling time 6.4 days
31st January 151,630
6th February 303,260

? ? 6,000 deaths

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaIjwvjBwqg&t=226s

I do not doubt the figures but in proportion to other diseases that are already prolific I still do not see what the panic is about. Yes it is disturbing and may or may not develop as expected but even if in the worst case scenario it develops globally then it still does not warrant any more attention than so many other viruses that are far more lethal and yet get very little coverage. Coronavirus is an economic threat rather than a fatality one.

Indices :

Yes it is disturbing and may or may not develop as expected but even if in the worst case scenario it develops globally then it still does not warrant any more attention than so many other viruses that are far more lethal and yet get very little coverage. Coronavirus is an economic threat rather than a fatality one.

Friend, in the worst case scenario the actual death raate of 30% doesn't go down as the numbers grow.  :kiss:  You keep making the mistake of buying the chinese government's death rate numbers that calculate with in-progress infections...

The next two weeks will be extremely telling.
If it gets into South America or Africa it could wreck the economy of the entire world.
The rate of new infections are now 50,000 per day.

We snagged a ticket for my wife to return to Texas from Saigon through Japan.

I just saw that Japan was put on a watch list with 11 other countries after an infection was traced to the UK through Singapore.

OceanBeach92107 :
Jurassic :

Hello, all,

Sorry to make my first post an unpleasant one.

I received this email today from the apartment property management company (HCMC D2) and I am shocked and more than a little worried about potential for Kafkaesque insanity.
Has anyone been subjected to this kind of invasion?
This seems highly illegal to me. Any advice?

Here's the letter (abridged)

As part of Coronavirus (nCoV)’s prevention program, The Management ("Management") is pleased to announce that from 7 Feb 2020 onwards, our personnel will conduct body temperature check for all who entered the building.

For cases of deliberately evading body temperature checks and lack of cooperation, the Management Office will apply the necessary actions.

In case of detecting a person with a body temperature higher than 37.5 degrees, the Management Office will request temporary isolation in a separate area and notify the Preventive Medical Center for medical checks.

When I was about to board the Greenlines high-speed catamaran from HCMC to Vũng Tàu the other day, no one was allowed to get on the boat without staff first taking their temperature using an electronic forehead sensor.

I didn't ask if they were trained or if the instrument was calibrated, and I am a Registered Nurse.

Did you hope everyone would join you in your anger when you posted here?

I'm pretty sure you will find that the majority of us see you as that one difficult person who holds up the line while refusing to go with the flow.

At a time such as this, people with your self-centered attitude get in the way of those attempting to help the rest of

Please take a deep breath, let out a huge sigh and then focus on getting out of the way.

We went to get tickets yesterday for the high speed catamaran only to be told that they have canceled the service to Vung Tau???... then told to go to a limousine company and they would take us for the same price (all 9 of us crowded in a smaller area) while in Saigon we visited the dental clinic and a normal clinic, first thing they did was check our temperature. And I was only there to support my wife who needed dental surgery.
I no complain.
Whistler

Jim-Minh :

A report from Johns-Hopkins estimated the infections were 10 times what was reported, and the death rate was 30 times that of the flu. Anyone comparing this to the flu is just being stupid - there is no comparison. China would not be taking the draconian measures we see if this was not the case. This is costing China BILLIONS at a time when they can NOT afford it. All of the major airlines are refusing to fly to China. Vietnam has shut down the schools. The US is quarantining returns from China at military bases for two weeks at government expense. This is bad, bad, bad.

Submit to the temperature checks and be damn happy to do it.

Unfortunately, people turn on their tv's and listen to the hype without actually looking at the data.  For example, the actual number of deaths that were caused by influenza (Flu) in the USA in 2017 was 6,515, this is reported by the CDC itself:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/flu.htm

However, if you look how it is reported in the news, they include Pneumonia with influenza to give influenza the impression of more deaths.  Based on the CDC stats, the total deaths from Pneumonia and Influenza in 2017 was 55,672, a rate of 2 per 100,000 (see page 6 of 77):

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr … 09-508.pdf

But if you go back to the Influenza stat showing deaths of 6,515, it shows a rate of 2.0 per 100,000.  But in reality, influenza is 11.7%  of that rate (6,515 out of 55,672) as most of that 2.0 is caused by Pneumonia, confirmed in the 2nd link CDC data.  Influenza is not as bad as the media makes it out to be, it is Pneumonia that is the real killer. 

So when you read about influenza deaths, read carefully, it almost always says "ESTIMATED" influenza deaths, not actual deaths.  So based on the CDC's own data, the number of influenza deaths per 100,000 is less than 1 (6,515/55,672 = 11.7% X 2 = .23)

The point, there is no comparison between influenza and the coronavirus.

I def. don’t see that as being a bad thing checking people’s temps so long as they are practicing safe methods when doing so. Would you likewise bitch and complain at the airport because they are checking people’s temps?

Jurassic :

Hello, all,
Sorry to make my first post an unpleasant one.

This is the alternative:

What Happens If You Refuse

First suspect was snakes, then bats, then Pangolin and now ducks. Add swine flu and bird flu etc and it would seem that George Orwell was on the right track.

I've started a new thread about the dangers of wearing a mask too much:

DO NOT Wear A Mask Unless...

What's your issue exactly? Be happy that they care enough to check!

Hello everyone .
I do think is a very good measured
The management of the property are
taking.
It will be nice if other property manager in
Ho Chi Minh will do the same.

I would welcome checks at my building.  Better not to get into the elevator with a sick person.

I also think that we will see a substantial drop in deaths from influenza in 2020 because of the precautions being taken for the Coroner virus.

1happkamper :

What's your issue exactly? Be happy that they care enough to check!

Very true.

It would be even better if everyone were forced to sanitize their hands on entry into the building.

OceanBeach92107 :
1happkamper :

What's your issue exactly? Be happy that they care enough to check!

Very true.

It would be even better if everyone were forced to sanitize their hands on entry into the building.

Maybe Mr Jurassic could buy a full gallon (or 3 liters?) of the stuff and offer it to the management.   :up:  Next bottle is on them.

They are doing this and providing  hand sanitiser outside entrances to vinhomes times city.

It smells and feels a lot like diluted listerine though. Won’t be using that again.

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