Climate change experts would not invest beachfront property.

You are a good troll. I dont want to waste my time anymore with you it is worthless. Stay in your ignorance. Bye

No matter what one thinks about climate change and whether or not it presents a threat to life on earth, I would think all could agree that the future lies with renewable energy, not fossil fuels.  One does not need climate change to realize substitutes for oil and coal is the way to go.  It would also eliminate the exaggerated political power of certain oil and coal rich countries, a win win result.

"One of the scariest scenarios for near-term, disastrous sea-level rise may be off the table for now, according to a new study previewed at a recent scientific conference.

Two years ago, the glaciologists Robert DeConto and David Pollard rocked their field with a paper arguing that several massive glaciers in Antarctica were much more unstable than previously thought. Those key glaciers—which include Thwaites Glacier and Pine Island Glacier, both in the frigid continent's west—could increase global sea levels by more than three feet by 2100, the paper warned. Such a rise could destroy the homes of more than 150 million people worldwide.

They are now revisiting those results."

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc … 00/579478/

"They are now revisiting those results" << is this what tells us that their check from the oil companies finally came? 

Yes, I did also see that they still did maintain the requisite hair on fire stance about climate.

The scientific community has been predicting ice ages and global meltdowns since there has been a scientific community. The turn back to ice age prediction is already in its early stages.

It's all about funding and being relevant. And it is all about abusing power and using science as a club to beat people with.

And like I said in the start, the water was much higher here decades ago. And this oscillation happens all over the world. Subsidence causes it. Erosion causes it. But now whenever it happens the first thing everyone blames is climate change.

And notice how they change the term.

It used to be global warming.

They did some thinking and decided to call it climate change because then no matter what happens they can claim to be right. Temp goes up: climate change. Temp goes down: climate change. It's called weather. And weather works in little cycles, big cycles and very big cycles. It changes. What a bunch of scammers must the people be who figured out how to capitalize on it.

And notice who they never pick on about carbon. The single biggest polluter on earth.

But you are the devil if you use a plastic straw.

A troll is the one who makes big accusations and fails to provide a source.

That is you.

All you have to do to prove me wrong is provide good sources for all of your statements.

That is in your power and yet you fail to do it.

mugtech wrote:

No matter what one thinks about climate change and whether or not it presents a threat to life on earth, I would think all could agree that the future lies with renewable energy, not fossil fuels.  One does not need climate change to realize substitutes for oil and coal is the way to go.  It would also eliminate the exaggerated political power of certain oil and coal rich countries, a win win result.

No matter what powers the world, the world will continue to have all of the same problems and inequities. And a small group of oligarchs will continue to hold sway over it all. As they always have. Utopia will never exist anywhere but in people's minds. And the oligarchs will continue to use the promise of utopia and the fear of destruction to control the people.

From the link

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc … 00/579478/

Yet their work—and the work of other sea-level-rise scientists—still warns of potential catastrophe for our children and grandchildren.

The general rule of thumb is, we try not to destroy our children, but what do I know? However, the rises will still start in our lifetimes and flood out a lot of major cities, so perhaps ignoring a large elephant pooping on the carpet is a bad idea.

I agree with you on one thing : the green militants are over reacting on everything and everything is climate change. One day we will be punished to pay a fine because we are farting outdoor and so contributing to climate change

mugtech wrote:

I would think all could agree that the future lies with renewable energy, not fossil fuels.  .

Let me think...

The greed for oil is the major cause of wars including and since WWII.

Fossil fuels are dirty and smell a lot

Fossil fuels are damaging our health.

Renewables are a massive business opportunity

Renewables will become cheap and efficient as they become more popular and the tech improves, that meaning our cars will likely have solar panels on the roof that supply all the energy they need at zero cost.

Renewables reduce climate change gas emissions to zero

I firmly believe fossil fuels are the only viable way to power our world and I'm going to check myself in to a mental hospital.

Fred wrote:

From the link

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc … 00/579478/

Yet their work—and the work of other sea-level-rise scientists—still warns of potential catastrophe for our children and grandchildren.

The general rule of thumb is, we try not to destroy our children, but what do I know? However, the rises will still start in our lifetimes and flood out a lot of major cities, so perhaps ignoring a large elephant pooping on the carpet is a bad idea.

I said that they maintain the requisite hair on fire stance on climate change while backtracking on sea rise.

They know that by the time anyone figures out that they are wrong they will be gone.

But as for when and if the sea rises you are making huge assumptions. You have no idea when or if it will happen and you have no idea what will or will not cause it.

Philippine Destiny wrote:

mugtech wrote:

No matter what one thinks about climate change and whether or not it presents a threat to life on earth, I would think all could agree that the future lies with renewable energy, not fossil fuels.  One does not need climate change to realize substitutes for oil and coal is the way to go.  It would also eliminate the exaggerated political power of certain oil and coal rich countries, a win win result.

Utopia will never exist anywhere but in people's minds.

So forget the politics and concentrate on the science required.

Fred wrote:

mugtech wrote:

I would think all could agree that the future lies with renewable energy, not fossil fuels.  .

Let me think...

The greed for oil is the major cause of wars including and since WWII.

Fossil fuels are dirty and smell a lot

Fossil fuels are damaging our health.

Renewables are a massive business opportunity

Renewables will become cheap and efficient as they become more popular and the tech improves, that meaning our cars will likely have solar panels on the roof that supply all the energy they need at zero cost.

Renewables reduce climate change gas emissions to zero

I firmly believe fossil fuels are the only viable way to power our world and I'm going to check myself in to a mental hospital.

Of course fossil fuels are not the only way to power the world. But world population increased several hundred percent as a direct result of fossil fuels. There is not viable power source on the table that can support the current population as fossil fuels do. Everything is dependent upon petroleum. All agriculture for one thing. No one has shown any viable alternative to that.

Everything that you use is in one way or another dependent on fossil fuels. Alternatives to fossil fuels are coupled to fossil fuels.

People thought that nuclear was a viable alternative. But it has problems. Everything will always have problems and there will always be those who use those problems to take advantage while promising an alternative.

But fossil fuels and climate change really are not the same argument.

The people who are preaching climate are proven deceivers. They are proven data manipulators. They are proven payoff takers.

Pardon me if I will not bow to them.

mugtech wrote:

Philippine Destiny wrote:

mugtech wrote:

No matter what one thinks about climate change and whether or not it presents a threat to life on earth, I would think all could agree that the future lies with renewable energy, not fossil fuels.  One does not need climate change to realize substitutes for oil and coal is the way to go.  It would also eliminate the exaggerated political power of certain oil and coal rich countries, a win win result.

Utopia will never exist anywhere but in people's minds.

So forget the politics and concentrate on the science required.

My God, man. You honestly pretend that science is not political? It is.

And it is all funded by international finance and multinational corporations.

Science is a hired gun with no objectivity.

People are so easily deceived in these matters because they believe that their legacy is the earth. The earth was here before man and the earth will be here after man. We disappear individually form the face of it and we shall likewise disappear corporately from the face of it.

You are a pilgrim in this world. You cannot hold on to it and neither can your kids.

And all of your straining cannot move the powers that be. They like you to think that you can because the effort keeps you distracted. The power structures of the world existed long before your birth. they will be in place when you die. You don't get a vote in their doings, though they make you think you do.

I have crashed a few echo chambers like this one and they are all the same. Fear porn on tap.

In my life I have been dirt poor with nothing. Then God allowed me to have some things. The thing about being successful and having things is that you fear losing those things. The more you have to lose the more you fear losing it. That fear is used to control people. Frankly, I do not care if the sea rises. I will take that as my cue that God wants us to move. It is far more likely that my home will be destroyed by a quake. I do not fear these things. I have lost a home before. I have faced my own death before. I do not allow these basic realities to control me through fear.

People have made science and scientists and politicians and money their gods. And such gods use your fear of loss against you.

So let the sea rise or let the quakes come or let the sky fall.

You can fear it. I will not. 

Your are really great Destiny  After me ? I don't care ! The greatest selfish, self centered  on earth.

Philippine Destiny wrote:

In my life I have been dirt poor with nothing. Then God allowed me to have some things. The thing about being successful and having things is that you fear losing those things. The more you have to lose the more you fear losing it. That fear is used to control people. Frankly, I do not care if the sea rises. I will take that as my cue that God wants us to move. It is far more likely that my home will be destroyed by a quake. I do not fear these things. I have lost a home before. I have faced my own death before. I do not allow these basic realities to control me through fear.

Since it is all up to God, then everything else you have said is just mental masturbation.

"Tobacco and OIl industries used same researchers to sway public."  Scientific American July 20 2016, mic drop.

Well the sea is rising, but there is also regional variability. Overall though, it is going up and the rate is increasing, both from glacial and ice sheets melting, and also thermal expansion. As the planet warms, much of the heat has been absorbed by the oceans.. For those who might actually be interested in the science and facts, I have included a few links below.

From NOAA, the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration:

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/u … -sea-level

Global mean sea level has risen about 8–9 inches (21–24 centimeters) since 1880, with about a third of that coming in just the last two and a half decades. The rising water level is mostly due to a combination of meltwater from glaciers and ice sheets and thermal expansion of seawater as it warms. In 2018, global mean sea level was 3.2 inches (8.1 centimeters) above the 1993 average.

And here's one using satellite data, from NASA's climate team:

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2680/new- … elerating/

By Katie Weeman, Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences,
and Patrick Lynch, NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center

The rate of global sea level rise has been accelerating in recent decades, rather than increasing steadily, according to a new study based on 25 years of NASA and European satellite data.  This acceleration, driven mainly by increased melting in Greenland and Antarctica, has the potential to double the total sea level rise projected by 2100 when compared to projections that assume a constant rate of sea level rise, according to lead author Steve Nerem. Nerem is a professor of Aerospace Engineering Sciences at the University of Colorado Boulder, a fellow at Colorado's Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences (CIRES), and a member of NASA's Sea Level Change team.

Here's a great overall article with links to reports and some good maps and data:

https://www.carbonbrief.org/explainer-h … level-rise

I would also add - who has more incentive to try and confuse and obfuscate the truth on this matter, so as to delay action? Real climate scientists worldwide, working on independent teams, the vast majority of whom are in agreement on the need to reduce the use of fossil fuels.. or those same fossil fuel and car companies making billions of dollars off their continued use?

Anyone buying the "Green" scam should watch this. The only green leading environmentalist care about is the color of your money as it travels from your pocket to theirs.

https://youtu.be/Zk11vI-7czE

jwschmidt wrote:

Anyone buying the "Green" scam should watch this. The only green leading environmentalist care about is the color of your money as it travels from your pocket to theirs.

https://youtu.be/Zk11vI-7czE

A truly informative film that shows green energy is a scam. Population amd wealth is the problem causeing earths destruction.

You need to watch this.

https://youtu.be/Zk11vI-7czE

And this.

http://www.ccfsh.org/climate/climate-ch … h-columbia

If this is a hoax, it is very elaborate and have a few hundreds if not thousands of scientists on board.
Anyway, if you know someone who wants to get rid of their beachfront properties for cheap, I'll gladly help them out.

There's no hoax about anthropogenic climate change due to greenhouse gas emissions, both the surface and ocean temperatures have risen significantly since the early 20th century. And "green energy" technology in and of itself is not a scam. It would take coordination for those situations to be the case, lol. But there have certainly been failures, special interests and misplaced intentions along the way, as with all emerging technologies. And of course entrenched interests will always fight it.

Didn't watch the entire film but many clips they used are over 20 years old, so they do not accurately portray the state of the industry today, just attempts made in the past.  There have been mistakes, some big, like bio-fuels. But many successes too. Renewables are now cheaper than fossil fuels for power production and provide 17% of US energy and 24% globally, and thousands of jobs, where you don't get black lung.

I think the intention in that movie is to show that magical thinking and any technology isn't going to allow us to continue to deplete the planet of resources and species, while massively polluting the air and water - without changing a bigger piece of the equation - our consumption-based lifestyles.

We are burning the Amazon rainforest down at the rate of 10,000 SqKm per year.  The worlds greatest above-ground source of carbon storage and biodiversity.   More of the same in Malaysia and Indonesia. To raise cattle for MacDonalds and grow palm oil for snacks.

You don't have to go far to see all of the plastic pollution that is beginning to accumulate on the beaches, in rivers and apparently the giant "garbage patch" in the Pacific Ocean. Southeast Asia is one of the worst areas due to all the single-use plastics - for shampoos, soaps, beverage, etc.

How about mining for all of the rare materials needed for our "clean, high tech future" and leaving a wasteland behind that poisons rivers and oceans. Everyone wants a new smartphone which ends up polluting the planet when it's discarded in three years. 

People want more and more of this stuff. To live a rich, expansive lifestyle. It's human nature. But besides killing us, it's killing the planet. If you look at the massive convergence of climate change, air and water pollution, species extinction, and other environmental issues, it's obvious to even a school kid that this isn't sustainable.

Lat61 wrote:

Population and wealth is the problem causing earths destruction.

In simplistic terms, I agree with that..

pnwcyclist wrote:

Lat61 wrote:

Population and wealth is the problem causing earths destruction.

In simplistic terms, I agree with that..

John Lennon is a genius.
He knew the solution and wrote a song too.
Imagine that.

Is the coronavirus pandemic Mother Nature's revenge?

Feel i'm going back to Massachusetts!
(Bee Gees)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boston … utType=amp

Good article.. thanks. My GF also thinks that this is mother nature's revenge. Since the pandemic started, many people, especially in developing countries, have not seen such blue skies.. ever..