Pregnant in the Middle East

Cautionary tale of what can happen in certain countries.  We have had family members get pregnant in Saudi Arabia, Singapore and Qatar, none were married.  They all returned to the Philippines to give birth.  The nurses working in Saudi Arabia and Singapore returned to work, their children being raised by family members here in the Philippines.  The niece from Qatar just gave birth in August, not sure what her next move will be.  So far, so good.
                 When we visited Dubai in 2018 we spent time with a niece who had been there for 5 years, was estranged from her Filipino husband, and had a Pakistani boyfriend.  She got pregnant a year ago and everyone urged her to return to the Philippines, but she gave birth this summer in Dubai.  Since she is not married to the father, both her and her boyfriend have been in separate prisons for months.  No one knows exactly what will happen, but there is no bail.  Word has it they will both spend time in prison for the child out of wedlock offense and then be deported.  No word on the care for and ultimate destination of the child.

First both of you must admit to the UAE authorities that you were married according to Islam with two witnesses. Use any two names who you met in the mosque but don't have their addresses. They witnessed your marriage verbally. And according to Islamic religion that you practice (Sheeyaa), this kind of marriage is valid with even no witness as long as the wife and husband have signed a simple note for marrying each other. This way you have not violated any Islamic laws. This information must be given to both the wife and husband and their story must be the same. Once you have informed both of them this story and they are willing to stand by it, then this mess can be solved within matter of few days by submitting a Petition in the court stating the facts above. This should get them both out and working without leaving UAE.

As long as you actually get married in a mosque, with or without paperwork, the above might be a good idea.
If you do not and are asking people to lie for you, it's a really bad idea.

EdMelik-Esq :

First both of you must admit to the UAE authorities that you were married according to Islam with two witnesses. Use any two names who you met in the mosque but don't have their addresses. They witnessed your marriage verbally. And according to Islamic religion that you practice (Sheeyaa), this kind of marriage is valid with even no witness as long as the wife and husband have signed a simple note for marrying each other. This way you have not violated any Islamic laws. This information must be given to both the wife and husband and their story must be the same. Once you have informed both of them this story and they are willing to stand by it, then this mess can be solved within matter of few days by submitting a Petition in the court stating the facts above. This should get them both out and working without leaving UAE.

She can get married in a mosque even though she has a Christian husband in the Philippines?  She should lie and say she is a Muslim?  In boxing it's called leading with your chin.

I believe you have to be, or become, muslims to engage in a Muslim marriage.
However, if the lady is already married, and the local authorities might well be aware of that, she could end up in even more trouble.
I'd missed the bit about her already being married, mostly because I'd forgotten divorce is the best part of impossible in that country.

Fred :

I believe you have to be, or become, muslims to engage in a Muslim marriage.
However, if the lady is already married, and the local authorities might well be aware of that, she could end up in even more trouble.
I'd missed the bit about her already being married, mostly because I'd forgotten divorce is the best part of impossible in that country.

Funny thing, the only legal divorces which happen in the Philippines are ones that the marriages were performed in a mosque.  Annulment is the going method of ending marriage here for most, usually involves a lot of time, money and lying.

All religions,,,,,,, no I won't say it.

Cheers, Steve

Yep the above story is the way it is in this part of the world.  No surprises there.  And yes, the way it works is that they will spend time in prison which is determined by the court judgement on this case and then be deported / banned from the UAE.  It is unbelievably stupid to give birth here when you are not married and I repeatedly advise against it on these forums.

For a Muslim marriage in a mosque, both parties have to be Muslim.  If one party is not Muslim, then they have to convert to Islam.  That, unfortunately, in the UAE, requires a declaration at the judicial section and has paperwork behind it.  The only way out is that she can convert to Islam outside the UAE somewhere and has a paper proving that.  On top, the no witness angle only applies to the Shia faith.  Being of that faith in this part of the world, means that you are visible to the authorities and in addition, most Pakistani's of that faith, do not get visas to the UAE.  So her bf is most probably Sunni.   So to keep it simple, the ONLY story that can work is that they got married OUTSIDE the UAE and can show something to prove that.  And even that won't work if she is listed as married in the UAE records.

All the intellectual discussion aside, the simple fact is that they are already in jail.  This means that there was a court ruling and that all the facts of the situation were admitted in official record i.e. they are not married and have had a child out of wedlock.  So if they appear now with an Islamic marriage and file an appeal - it is going to be heavily scrutinized because if this was the case then why was it not mentioned before?   marriage after the fact won't help at all.

Child was born in June, just heard from our niece and son, they were deported and are in the Manila Airport with no money.   She spent 6 months in prison and she can never go back.

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