Being married and unmarried to a Vietnamese wife, my story

Hello everyone, I saw a similar story to mine, was compelled to add myself to the list.

I want to start by saying I was not actively looking to marry a foreigner, but things were not going well here and I happened to meet a beautiful Vietnamese woman while traveling. She came to visit here, then I visited her, then lived with her in Vietnam for a while. When I came back to the US she joined me and we married, have one daughter.

It seemed like we were going to date right from our initial conversations and skypes. But when she came to the US to visit me she first stayed in another state with a guy who was trying to get with her. They she went to another state where she used some other dude. Then at the airport she had another would-be suitor who she turned down last minute because he was late or something. So that’s how she ended up with me.

We had a great time, another one when I visited, and life in Vietnam was good. She has wonderful parents and they totally accepted me into their home. What was actually happening was the mother did all the cooking and cleaning, my girlfriend did not help in the slightest but she did bring in the income. She had rich tastes but unlike her rich girlfriends she was frugal and didn’t really want the latest handbags, etc., and I wouldn’t give her presents because she would be mad that I spent money.

Then I couldn’t stand teaching English anymore so the plan was to go home and she’d come with me then we’d get married. There were warnings and she had huge temper flare ups but were very short lived, afterwards she was totally fine and I can’t explain it but this became normal. My friends hated her and dropped out of sight, my family hate her too, and even her friends hated how she treated me.

She got a job but she would not do her share of cleaning or let me pay for a cleaner. She actually started cooking but not exclusively, relying on me to help, and regardless of who cooked she would not clean. We got a shared bank account but somehow she was able to remove me. So her salary went into an account that I had no access to and she was furious if I wanted to check. All expenses went through my account which was paycheck to paycheck.

We had an amazing baby girl. I got the parenting instincts hard, she did not. At all. Her mother stayed with us for months to help out, when the baby cried we’d fight to go see her. My wife did breastfeed but that was it. I was the only one losing sleep, and I’d bring the baby to her while she continued to sleep – even now I never sleep through the night while my wife does.

Besides my daughter my life has been hell. I’d been just hanging in there for years through my wife’s bad temper, her clamp on our finances, even getting in the way of buying stuff for the baby while she did not contribute to ANY childcare, she just took to sitting on the bed with her damn phone. I became thoroughly exhausted. She’d yell at me sometimes because we had no sex life, but she gave no affection and I was broken (early on she suggested I just rape her).

Anyway, in the late stage her mother had one more very long visit without my approval that was just too difficult and I got that awful feeling about my wife – I told her we had to do something or else. But in hindsight she’d started online dating, hooked up with at least one guy who fell in love with her, stayed with him when I said we should separate. I have evidence but she continues to lie, at the very least she said she was only using the guy but that does not make it better to me. Now while I’m going through divorce proceedings she won’t moving out, squeezing all the free rent from me as she can even though she creates a toxic environment. She now wants to force a relationship with our daughter and that is not working out well. I can’t do the big custody battle because apparently it’s a fortune and there are no marks on my daughter.

So that’s my mess, from seeing other stories at least I’m not alone. There may be some cultural undertones here but I do not think my wife’s flaws are all typically Vietnamese but you may let me know if this sounds familiar.

To bad you did not seek advice here in beginning.  Your are right, she is not typical at all of a VN wife.  However, very typical of a gold digger.  You should have cut her the first time she visited you and traveled to see other men.  Why in the hell did you not?

When I had read that from the airport and with her other admirers at the beginning of your post, I already knew the end of your story.

I don't mean to rub salt in the wound, but the reality is this is all your own fault, I hope you can learn from this and it will help you a lot in the future.

If shes dating you and seeing other guys, that was the first major warning sign, but there were many more after that and you ignored them all

Getting married was bad but having the child might of been worse, as now your stuck to this woman for the rest of your life in one way or another.

financially why didn't you set any boundaries?

She sounds like a real player , and sadly she fished you right in

Get the divorce and move on , but learn from it

This woman's behavior isn't unique with only foreign women, it's also common behavior traits among most of our American women too.

You made lots of mistakes from the start.

You went too fast into marrying her without reading tons of good advice or personal experiences here on this site, or without asking questions.

You saw many warning signs: she would not help her mom cook, help, and do things women do in the home. That was a big red flag that this woman is not a Nurture. Nurture comes from a Latin root meaning to feed and cherish. Women are made to nurture and comfort (see below for men's role). If a woman isn't playing this role at home, her children and husband will mostly spend most of their time in the streets looking for the people who they believe can provide nurturing and comfort that is lacking at home. You saw that sign that she was not going to provide nurturing and comfort for her kids if you had some. And sure enough it has come to reality since your child was born.

Also, most women who aren't playing their divine role as nurturer and comforter mostly tend to lean towards behaving like a masculine (competing, being aggressive, making the hard or final decisions, trying to lead, and living in survival mode all day). These are all masculine traits and men were made to provide, lead, and do these stuff without much devastating effects on the body. But they affect women's hormones level, which causes women to get fat, get too  stressed, lose libido, suffer heart disease, and  experience lots of other diseases that come with hormonal disruption caused by trying to be a masculine.

Women balance their men out ( don't confuse that with being equal. No, men and women are not equal.). To be equal is like having a hanging scale. If you have 10lbs on left, you must have the same 10lbs on right to have equality. So if women are equal to men, you are saying they have the same masculine traits listed above and below. Which is not true, although most women in feminist movement try hard to play these masculine roles and we know the consequences.

Balancing out means, when a woman is nurturing and comforting, the man plays his masculine role such as going out there to compete for the scarce resources to produce and provide for the family, to protect his family, and to lead the family. Naturally, women yarn for, gravitate toward, adore, and fall madly in love with men who exhibit these masculine traits.

Unfortunately, you failed to provide some of them for your woman, so she went out there to seek men she believe have those traits. Nurturing and comforting woman is attractive, highly valuable, adorable, and worthy to men. Whereas masculine men who lead, produce, provide, protect, and penetrate are attractive and precious to women.

Learn your lessons and move on without harming yourself further by try to get the child away from her. Peace and good luck.

I have an ex who did similar things (and thankfully have moved on to a better relationship). My account was the shared account, she had a separate account for her personal income. Initially my income was much higher, but over time as her career advanced, I became in her mind less of an asset and more of a liability. She only thought in terms of money, and like your ex, she wasn't the type to cook, clean, or do much of anything around the house if she could get somebody else to do it. Stay away from women with masculine traits, they are more often than not greedy, selfish, likely to have an ultrafeminist mindset, and are inclined to narcissistic thinking and sociopathic behavior.

If she doesn't share in childcare, she doesn't care about the child, plain and simple. And if she is having stints with other guys, the relationship is a charade to begin with.

Some Vietnamese women have a traditional background and are faithful to their husbands. Others have been enticed by foreign ideology, hedonism and wealth and no longer keep such values. Even with the more traditional types, materialism is still a big problem here.

These imbalanced relationships are a product of cultural mismatch. Moral standards and ethics don't have the same standards in Vietnam and much of Asia. In the West, we tend to trust people by default until they give us a reason not to trust us. In Vietnam (and many other Asian nations), it tends to be the opposite: people don't trust someone until they have proven themselves trustworthy. Commonplace Western ideals like the golden rule, relational honesty and basic Christian principles are pretty alien concepts for the most part in the republic of Vietnam. You trusted her partly because you were blinded by love and partly due to your social/ethical/moral/cultural base. Now that you understand her base, move on as quickly and completely as possible.

And for anyone reading this thread who is in a relationship with an overly materialistic/selfish/egotistical mate, please, do yourself a favor and ditch them if you're not married yet (even the day of the wedding). You'll be thanking yourself later for it (or regretting it for a long time otherwise).

@Libhero - I understand your post, but be careful, i am sure there will be those who misread your post and get offended.  The way I try to explain is that yes, we are equal partners, but men and women are different and bring different traits to the relationship.  Differences do not make 1 better or lower than another, the differences should be praised and respected.  Unfortunately, the West fails to understand or even attempt to recognize these differences and tries to push men and women to be basically a uni-sex.  Mother nature is a funny creature and no matter how much the West tries to push this failed theory, biology drives the human and I could write encyclopedias about it. 

However, I know many couples in the West who are content with a materialistic marriage because both of them and the kids get what they want and in their world, they are successful.  In reality, neither spouse is happy and neither are the children (the stories i could tell), the money is the only thing that keeps them together, truly sad.

I think you are in the US right??  Document everything and get a lawyer, if you can, get her to initiate the divorce........depending on the State, you can file for abandonment, even though you are in the same house............I have divorced two foreign wives over the past 30 years and don't pay a dime in alimony.  One had a lawyer but when the judge asked her why she was divorcing me (I was in the US Army)  she said "My friends say he has to pay me money every month for rest of my life"  The judge asked her if that was the reason for the divorce, she said "Yes"   He dissolved the marraige w/o alimony.......luckily we didn't have any kids.........my last one was in California 1993 and it was amicable, no fault, 'dissolution of marraige'    we just seperated and moved on.

Good Luck.

Love is a funny thing, it can blind us to the worst of faults, it can make normally smart people do foolish things...it can even ruin us. Thankfully, you've already realized that there is no love on her side of the equation. So the conclusion is simple...move on... :)

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I am surprised how backward ideology still is on the North American continent when I read certain comments.

It's 2019 and I keep reading "Women want security and men want sex" or "Women belong in the kitchen and men provide the income".

I come from Europe and nowadays it is quite normal for women to work (and surprising, they also want sex  :o ) and men to do the housework and look after the children.
According to your ideoligy such men are wimps or sissies.

The man is the strong sex and the woman has to parry. Really backward!  :lol:

I sometimes think that the tall, portly western "real" men  :thanks:  are interested in Asian women because they think to find a cute little obedient wifey that doesn't contradict them like the western women do.

And then they are here with their cute Asian wifey and realize that the women here are stronger personalities than they expected.  :o Because the Asian women are in reality the stronger personalities than the Asian men. They are so strong that they even allow the men to play the strong sex - the macho - in public.

I enjoy here the equal family life with my wife and amuse myself from the naivety and backwardness of those who laugh at me when they see me outside hanging out the laundry to dry or when they see that my wife and not me (the strong sex  :lol: ) drives a motorcycle or car.

The ideology "strong man / obedient woman" shows well which population groups are backward and which are progressive.

Where exactly do you live?

Wxx3 :

Where exactly do you live?

If you ask me, I see myself as a European (my country of birth is not relevant to me) and a cosmopolitan.
And I live in Vietnam.

Andy Passenger :

And then they are here with their cute Asian wifey and realize that the women here are stronger personalities than they expected.  :o Because the Asian women are in reality the stronger personalities than the Asian men. They are so strong that they even allow the men to play the strong sex - the macho - in public.

Not the Vietnamese I know. But I tend to hang out with the more traditional types who still believe men and women are biologically different.  :D

Andy, I know that!
I meant the OP!!

Andy Passenger :

I am surprised how backward ideology still is on the North American continent when I read certain comments.

It's 2019 and I keep reading "Women want security and men want sex" or "Women belong in the kitchen and men provide the income".

I come from Europe and nowadays it is quite normal for women to work (and surprising, they also want sex  :o ) and men to do the housework and look after the children.
According to your ideoligy such men are wimps or sissies.

The man is the strong sex and the woman has to parry. Really backward!  :lol:

I sometimes think that the tall, portly western "real" men  :thanks:  are interested in Asian women because they think to find a cute little obedient wifey that doesn't contradict them like the western women do.

And then they are here with their cute Asian wifey and realize that the women here are stronger personalities than they expected.  :o Because the Asian women are in reality the stronger personalities than the Asian men. They are so strong that they even allow the men to play the strong sex - the macho - in public.

I enjoy here the equal family life with my wife and amuse myself from the naivety and backwardness of those who laugh at me when they see me outside hanging out the laundry to dry or when they see that my wife and not me (the strong sex  :lol: ) drives a motorcycle or car.

The ideology "strong man / obedient woman" shows well which population groups are backward and which are progressive.

That did not take long and as predicted, a diatribe response full of PC stereotypes.  Instead of reading and comprehending, we look at, not through, the looking glass and see what we want to see, not reality.  Sorry Andy, but with all due respect, I find your response racist, sexist and offensive.

vndreamer :

That did not take long and as predicted, a diatribe response full of PC stereotypes.  Instead of reading and comprehending, we look at, not through, the looking glass and see what we want to see, not reality.  Sorry Andy, but with all due respect, I find your response racist, sexist and offensive.

:top:

Yes, probably I am sexist.
I generally only like female humans.

And if you call the conservative and those who always live in the past as race, then I'm probably also a racist.

All the girls I've gone out with or dated here don't seem to have a strong motherly or caring vibe. They are kind of cold and distant. Seems to be a theme here.

The women here are incredible. Anybody who stays here for a length of time and does not see how strong the Vietnamese women are, do not look at all.

As for not being nurturing? Where do you meet these women? Bars? Every woman I have met wants a husband, a family, and children.

This strange idea of the VN woman wanting a foreign passport and then just go to the mall is just not meeting the real thing.

Bar girls are bar girls all over. There are girls like that all over the world.

Get out the bar and meet some real women who work, cry, love and do what they can for their family. Learn a little Vietnamese and find out what their lives are like.

ALL women I have met do not want to leave VN at all. They want a man who will come and live near their home who wants a family and who will care for them.

Commitment is much more of a Viagra for the VN ladies than mere money.

Vietnamese women are some of the best in the world. Forget the stereotypes.

Nielsen Flute :

All the girls I've gone out with or dated here don't seem to have a strong motherly or caring vibe. They are kind of cold and distant. Seems to be a theme here.

It's a good descriptive word for that which (I think) many male foreigners seek here.

Based on what you've posted here, I'd thought that to be what you want.

You are not alone...

SongwriterUK :

The women here are incredible. Anybody who stays here for a length of time and does not see how strong the Vietnamese women are, do not look at all.

As for not being nurturing? Where do you meet these women? Bars? Every woman I have met wants a husband, a family, and children.

This strange idea of the VN woman wanting a foreign passport and then just go to the mall is just not meeting the real thing.

Bar girls are bar girls all over. There are girls like that all over the world.

Get out the bar and meet some real women who work, cry, love and do what they can for their family. Learn a little Vietnamese and find out what their lives are like.

ALL women I have met do not want to leave VN at all. They want a man who will come and live near their home who wants a family and who will care for them.

Commitment is much more of a Viagra for the VN ladies than mere money.

Vietnamese women are some of the best in the world. Forget the stereotypes.

:top:

I couldn't put it any better.

OceanBeach92107 :
Nielsen Flute :

All the girls I've gone out with or dated here don't seem to have a strong motherly or caring vibe. They are kind of cold and distant. Seems to be a theme here.

It's a good descriptive word for that which (I think) many male foreigners seek here.

Based on what you've posted here, I'd thought that to be what you want.

You are not alone...

They exist, but they get snatched up right quick because they are high in demand and rather low in supply. :D

Andy Passenger :
SongwriterUK :

Commitment is much more of a Viagra for the VN ladies than mere money.

:top:

I couldn't put it any better.

Definitely. In fact, I think it was Andy who first told me of the importance of "commitment" to the Vietnamese people...

wildwildwest :
OceanBeach92107 :
Nielsen Flute :

All the girls I've gone out with or dated here don't seem to have a strong motherly or caring vibe. They are kind of cold and distant. Seems to be a theme here.

It's a good descriptive word for that which (I think) many male foreigners seek here.

Based on what you've posted here, I'd thought that to be what you want.

You are not alone...

They exist, but they get snatched up right quick because they are high in demand and rather low in supply. :D

This is what I suspect too. I see a lot of young local men with phenomenal women. As an outsider that's not my birthright so I have to wade through the disingenuous language exchange girls, Tinder nonsense, foreign groupies, visa hunters, etc.

I don't go to bars so I have to hunt online and maybe at malls.

Nielsen Flute :

As an outsider that's not my birthright so I have to wade through the disingenuous language exchange girls, Tinder nonsense, foreign groupies, visa hunters, etc.

I don't go to bars so I have to hunt online and maybe at malls.

Talk to the locals, tell them your wish.  It's an excellent chance that every Vietnamese knows at least two GOOD women who would like to be in solid and honourable relationships with foreigners (not for the lure of a foreign citizenship, but for to the belief that Western men treat women better.)

Just in the last year alone, there were 6 or 7 GOOD women who have asked me to find them a man who would treat them with affection and respect.  None of these women is actively looking for men, online or in bars (good women do not go to bars nor do they subject themselves to the shame of Tinder). 

Had I known any Westerners aside from my married relatives, I would've made a lot of people happy just from introducing them to one another and let the women's virtues speak for themselves.

Andy Passenger :

Yes, probably I am sexist.
I generally only like female humans.

And if you call the conservative and those who always live in the past as race, then I'm probably also a racist.

I am duly impressed.

wildwildwest :

They exist, but they get snatched up right quick because they are high in demand and rather low in supply. :D

Exactly, can't tell you how many times I have tried to help those who look in the wrong places.  VN men are not stupid, of course they marry the good ones and usually at a young age and thus, the supply is limited.  Can't tell you how many male co-workers of my wife kept trying to convince her not to marry me.  But after they met me and realized I was a good man, they stopped.

Andy Passenger :

I am surprised how backward ideology still is on the North American continent when I read certain comments.

It's 2019 and I keep reading "Women want security and men want sex" or "Women belong in the kitchen and men provide the income".

I come from Europe and nowadays it is quite normal for women to work (and surprising, they also want sex  :o ) and men to do the housework and look after the children.
According to your ideoligy such men are wimps or sissies.

The man is the strong sex and the woman has to parry. Really backward!  :lol:

I sometimes think that the tall, portly western "real" men  :thanks:  are interested in Asian women because they think to find a cute little obedient wifey that doesn't contradict them like the western women do.

And then they are here with their cute Asian wifey and realize that the women here are stronger personalities than they expected.  :o Because the Asian women are in reality the stronger personalities than the Asian men. They are so strong that they even allow the men to play the strong sex - the macho - in public.

I enjoy here the equal family life with my wife and amuse myself from the naivety and backwardness of those who laugh at me when they see me outside hanging out the laundry to dry or when they see that my wife and not me (the strong sex  :lol: ) drives a motorcycle or car.

The ideology "strong man / obedient woman" shows well which population groups are backward and which are progressive.

im sorry Andy , you seem to be part of the big problem we are facing nowadays.

The western media/governments (western Europe included) have completely attacked and destroyed the family structure.

This was done on purpose  with the intent to cause harm and chaos , not to help women, or free the oppressed , or to fight sexism , as you have been BRAINWASHED into believing.

The womans role as wife and mother is the most crucial role in all of nature, it is the backbone of all that is good in this world , and people like you seem to feel that is somehow sexist or oppressive to women and that any man who craves this somehow wants a "little quiet slave" who he can boss around. You truly are a victim in all of this and I feel sorry for you.

I am a firm beliver that a man should be a man , out in the real world..... you want to be a tough guy, a hard man, a suave business man...…. go do it in the real world..... at home with your woman you should drop all that and become a little softer, a little more gentle , all while  still being the man and taking on all that goes with that. (that includes helping out with chores and not expecting her to do it 100% of the time)

This all becomes impossible now because what the typical western male comes home too is basically a smaller man with boobs and high heels, making a mockery of the home and the family and demanding you submit too it.

Exaggerated masculinity , overcompensating because of self esteem issues, insecurity issues , nothing natural or feminine , nothing nurturing and with absolutely nothing to offer.

The comedy of all this comes in when you see that most males are actually submitting to this, they aren't questioning it, or taking a stand on it, or "looking elsewhere" to find a normal woman.

Males are being brainwashed into thinking this is how it is supposed to be, that all versions of what the family was before this was sexist and oppressive, that by now sleeping with a little man with boobs you are honoring women and fighting the good fight that was oppression and sexism.

I don't know how people can be so naïve and stupid to not see this for what it is , Ive been born and raised in Toronto Canada and ive never been sucked into any of what this new world throws at me, its pretty easy to tell right from wrong in most cases.

We are going to suffer for this immensely, socially its already destroying us, and its only just begun.

With that said I have a Canadian fiancé here in Toronto, but I loved seeing the culture in Vietnam and I did talk to some women there as friends and it was a breath of fresh air , to see the unspoiled beauty.... women who still have their traditional culture, beautiful , strong all while retaining their feminine nature.

The sad thing is seeing how western culture is already starting to pervert other cultures, I seen it in Vietnam a little it and I hope it doesn't get much worse.

Its been a long suspected thoery of mine that western women (not all of course) are the worst on the planet, and my first trip to asia so far has solidified that theory.

The OP never answered my question and never made another response. Sure signs of a troll who just likes mixing the pot to see what gets stirred up.

1willy1 :

im sorry Andy , you seem to be part of the big problem we are facing nowadays.

I like to be a part of what you see as a big problem and let you believe in it.

The endangerment of world peace by "real guys" is for me a much bigger problem than "little men with boobs".

Andy Passenger :
1willy1 :

im sorry Andy , you seem to be part of the big problem we are facing nowadays.

I like to be a part of what you see as a big problem and let you believe in it.

The endangerment of world peace by "real guys" is for me a much bigger problem than "little men with boobs".

The guys with the trigger fingers on red buttons are usually not close to the real man stereotype. Think of Mr. Burns on the Simpsons - weak, old, pathetic and diabolically evil. Those are the people who are ruining Europe, ruining North America -- ruining all of Western Civilization for that matter. Real men could care less about regime change or fighting someone else's wars. They just want to put in an honest day's work, live a quiet life, and come home to some brewskis and a family who loves them.

1willy1 :

im sorry Andy , you seem to be part of the big problem we are facing nowadays.

The western media/governments (western Europe included) have completely attacked and destroyed the family structure.

This was done on purpose  with the intent to cause harm and chaos , not to help women, or free the oppressed , or to fight sexism , as you have been BRAINWASHED into believing.

The womans role as wife and mother is the most crucial role in all of nature, it is the backbone of all that is good in this world , and people like you seem to feel that is somehow sexist or oppressive to women and that any man who craves this somehow wants a "little quiet slave" who he can boss around. You truly are a victim in all of this and I feel sorry for you.

I am a firm beliver that a man should be a man , out in the real world..... you want to be a tough guy, a hard man, a suave business man...…. go do it in the real world..... at home with your woman you should drop all that and become a little softer, a little more gentle , all while  still being the man and taking on all that goes with that. (that includes helping out with chores and not expecting her to do it 100% of the time)

This all becomes impossible now because what the typical western male comes home too is basically a smaller man with boobs and high heels, making a mockery of the home and the family and demanding you submit too it.

Exaggerated masculinity , overcompensating because of self esteem issues, insecurity issues , nothing natural or feminine , nothing nurturing and with absolutely nothing to offer.

The comedy of all this comes in when you see that most males are actually submitting to this, they aren't questioning it, or taking a stand on it, or "looking elsewhere" to find a normal woman.

Males are being brainwashed into thinking this is how it is supposed to be, that all versions of what the family was before this was sexist and oppressive, that by now sleeping with a little man with boobs you are honoring women and fighting the good fight that was oppression and sexism.

I don't know how people can be so naïve and stupid to not see this for what it is , Ive been born and raised in Toronto Canada and ive never been sucked into any of what this new world throws at me, its pretty easy to tell right from wrong in most cases.

We are going to suffer for this immensely, socially its already destroying us, and its only just begun.

With that said I have a Canadian fiancé here in Toronto, but I loved seeing the culture in Vietnam and I did talk to some women there as friends and it was a breath of fresh air , to see the unspoiled beauty.... women who still have their traditional culture, beautiful , strong all while retaining their feminine nature.

The sad thing is seeing how western culture is already starting to pervert other cultures, I seen it in Vietnam a little it and I hope it doesn't get much worse.

Its been a long suspected thoery of mine that western women (not all of course) are the worst on the planet, and my first trip to asia so far has solidified that theory.

That is the biggest load of simplistic horse dung I have ever read.

Everybody in the west ... Male and Female are on their OWN dealing with a load of stress, low wages, low chances of economic climbing. Uncertain future.

The day of the man out working to bring home the bacon is over. Manufacturing has been killed (on purpose) by neoliberal idealists such as Reagan, Bush, and Thatcher. There are no safe jobs anymore. No Dad who works hard to care for his family.

It is all gone. Western women are scared as are the men.

Do you wonder why western women are so tough? They have to be ... we all do. It is not a good place to be and humans do not like it. We like to know our role. We like to know where we fit into society. But all the signals say we do not fit. Society was the enemy for the neoliberals who killed the working man's chances in the '80s. "There is no such thing as society" was a famous quote by Thatcher.

You want somebody to blame .... blame the Republicans or whatever your Conservatives are called.

Western women are fighting to survive like we all are.

I bet most would love to leave all the fighting to the men, but they cannot rely on anybody but themselves. That is the way it is now. The dismantling of the welfare state, The NHS (In the UK) was all to make way for the free market. The same free market that killed all our chances at a relatively simple life.

No safety nets, no unions, no government just an admin team (The Government) that does the bidding of the greedy billionaires that replaced the greedy millionaires.

The public voted Conservative and got what they deserved. F#cked.

The easiest thing to do is to blame a scapegoat. Popularists love to do that and everybody falls in line.

Grow up America, UK and Canada.

Take responsibility... YOU did it to yourself.

SongwriterUK :

The public voted Conservative and got what they deserved. F#cked.

The easiest thing to do is to blame a scapegoat. Popularists love to do that and everybody falls in line.

Grow up America, UK and Canada.

Take responsibility... YOU did it to yourself.

How right you are.

Unfortunately, such conservative right-wing populists are being elected more and more frequently.
Right-wing populists who don't give a shit about the population.
Maintaining power and filling one's own coffers and the coffers of the faithful is the only goal.

After their terms in office they leave behind a chaos and a mountain of debt.

It is always the others who are to blame.
Media representatives who disagree are called fake news spreaders, are imprisoned or murdered (without consequences if the client is a faithful ally).

Depressing future for our children.

The UK has been taken over by Islamists, the US's economy is soaring and people have jobs again, and Canada's economy has gone totally in the shitter and the local population (45% of young adult males are unemployed, as an example) has taken the shaft to low wage earning immigrants. Guess which two countries are not ruled by populists?  :D

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That is the biggest load of simplistic horse dung I have ever read.

Everybody in the west ... Male and Female are on their OWN dealing with a load of stress, low wages, low chances of economic climbing. Uncertain future.

The day of the man out working to bring home the bacon is over. Manufacturing has been killed (on purpose) by neoliberal idealists such as Reagan, Bush, and Thatcher. There are no safe jobs anymore. No Dad who works hard to care for his family.

It is all gone. Western women are scared as are the men.

Do you wonder why western women are so tough? They have to be ... we all do. It is not a good place to be and humans do not like it. We like to know our role. We like to know where we fit into society. But all the signals say we do not fit. Society was the enemy for the neoliberals who killed the working man's chances in the '80s. "There is no such thing as society" was a famous quote by Thatcher.

You want somebody to blame .... blame the Republicans or whatever your Conservatives are called.

Western women are fighting to survive like we all are.

I bet most would love to leave all the fighting to the men, but they cannot rely on anybody but themselves. That is the way it is now. The dismantling of the welfare state, The NHS (In the UK) was all to make way for the free market. The same free market that killed all our chances at a relatively simple life.

No safety nets, no unions, no government just an admin team (The Government) that does the bidding of the greedy billionaires that replaced the greedy millionaires.

The public voted Conservative and got what they deserved. F#cked.

The easiest thing to do is to blame a scapegoat. Popularists love to do that and everybody falls in line.

Grow up America, UK and Canada.

Take responsibility... YOU did it to yourself.

There is SO MUCH wrong with your post, I don't know where to start .

Did you actually say that western women have had it so hard, and that is the reason they are so gender confused , masculine and toxic? LOL my gosh

Western women ...low wages? Compared to who the Vietnamese? The philipines? The south americans? Mexicans? Many of the women in these countrys suffer horribly and have terrible hardships , yet they still remain women in society.

Even in a beautiful country like Japan , which I visited also , the cost of living is so high and the pay wages are very low , but yet the women are so feminine and superior to the west . So your argument is proven wrong very easily.

When is the last time these western women suffered through a war? An economic collapse? Had to use the toilet in a hole in the ground ? Or even went one day without their make up , starbucks and their favorite wine? Yet they are the most miserable, self centred , un-feminine women on the planet.

Also I never once said I want a woman to stay home and not go to work, nor did I say I want a weak woman, your twisting the whole argument.

My fiancé works, I wouldn't want her staying home all day, and I wouldn't want her to be a pushover all the time either....but I do want a WOMAN.


If you don't know what a WOMAN is , or have skewed views on what a woman should be, then again I feel sorry for you very much.

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The UK has been taken over by Islamists, the US's economy is soaring and people have jobs again, and Canada's economy has gone totally in the shitter and the local population (45% of young adult males are unemployed, as an example) has taken the shaft to low wage earning immigrants. Guess which two countries are not ruled by populists?  :D

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Its so true, the once great western nations are crumbling right before our eyes.


We are being trolled into keeping quiet about it and accepting it.


I will wager money that the uk or france will be the first to erupt into extreme social chaos in the semi near future.

North America wont be too far behind.

I had an experience that might have evolved into your situation in NYC with a chinese national.

I found out I was the side guy and that she had a fat boyfriend who she didn't love but who was a "good match" i.e. good job/good family. (fat chinese dude with a justin beiber haircut lol)

Needless to say things blew up after 3 months and I ended it. Wound up having to call the police.

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This experience taught me to never ignore my instincts. I knew she was a "player" in the past (and probably while dating) and was way too good in the sack for someone who claimed to have a low sex drive. It is a loooong story I'm not doing justicr. 

My big regret is that I accepted her advances because we did have a connection and we could have been great friends instead. In hindsight though, I was used not for money or even sex but for always being available to her emotionally. She probably felt that she had to date me for it. I caught feelings though and while I don't doubt she did too the big lesson is to walk away when your instincts scream before attachment forms. I just hope I'm not toooo jaded haha.

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