Marriage in Thailand

Hi,
Having lived with my Vietnamese girlfriend in HCM for the last 7 years or so we have just about given up on wading through the paperwork to get married in Vietnam . ..  So, maybe Thailand would be easier. Anyone here been through the process recently to offer any advice ?
Many thanks and seasons greetings to everyone.
Steve

What is the issue getting married here. I did my own and only cost me 3 million vnd. What is the problem you are facing?

Send these guys an email asking about the current marriage situation for VN nationals. A few years ago the VN embassey in Bangkok wasn't issuing any paperwork.

https://www.siam-legal.com/thai-law/bangkok-lawyer.php

Hi, thanks for the response.
The issue here is the fact that whilst I have all the various paperwork from England regarding cert from registrar  etc re no indemnity, my deceased wifes death cert and so on I did not get them translated and stamped by the Viet embassy in London. I had been told I could do that here . . . turns out I can indeed get the documents translated easy enough via the Brit consulate here but because this was not done in London by the Viet embassy they are invalid without their stamp on them.

Diobas :

Hi, thanks for the response.
The issue here is the fact that whilst I have all the various paperwork from England regarding cert from registrar  etc re no indemnity, my deceased wifes death cert and so on I did not get them translated and stamped by the Viet embassy in London. I had been told I could do that here . . . turns out I can indeed get the documents translated easy enough via the Brit consulate here but because this was not done in London by the Viet embassy they are invalid without their stamp on them.

Not sure as to why that is, I would have thought that you would just need to have the Certificate of Non-Impediment to show you are free to marry. Are you doing this through an agent.?

This sounds something like the problem that arose about a year ago when the British consulate stopped certifying papers needed for work permits.

I wouldn't be too quick with the Thailand idea.  I can't find it but I seem to recall another thread a while ago about the difficulties.  The problem as I recall is not with Thailand.  It is getting Vietnam to recognize the marriage.  If Vietnam does not recognize the marriage, it could prove difficult to get a VEC or marriage based TRC.  I did find another thread where a fellow who had married his Vietnamese wife in Thailand could not get divorced in Vietnam.  If you have the patience you could probably search for the thread.

THIGV :

This sounds something like the problem that arose about a year ago when the British consulate stopped certifying papers needed for work permits.

I wouldn't be too quick with the Thailand idea.  I can't find it but I seem to recall another thread a while ago about the difficulties.  The problem as I recall is not with Thailand.  It is getting Vietnam to recognize the marriage.  If Vietnam does not recognize the marriage, it could prove difficult to get a VEC or marriage based TRC.  I did find another thread where a fellow who had married his Vietnamese wife in Thailand could not get divorced in Vietnam.  If you have the patience you could probably search for the thread.

Its not that VN doesn't recognise the marriage, the problem was that the VN embassy was told not to issue the Single Status certificate to its citizens.

Siam legal Bangkok:

After the marriage is properly registered in Thailand, the Vietnamese citizen and the foreigner are legally married. Thai marriage is recognized all over the world including in Vietnam.

We are debating whether to try again using an agent as they know the right path to grease , but at a cost of almost 2000 dollars I need to be sure he can actually fix it.  After so many years here I have learned to be extremely distrustful of agents/lawyers etc.

Diobas :

We are debating whether to try again using an agent as they know the right path to grease , but at a cost of almost 2000 dollars I need to be sure he can actually fix it.  After so many years here I have learned to be extremely distrustful of agents/lawyers etc.

I wouldnt pay that amount, all an agent does is submit paperwork and hand over a white envelope. I would check the situation in Thailand first before paying that obscene amount.

I paid a total of 150 usd to obtain our certificate.

I was referring to here  in Viet. A good agent can be a big help by putting the papers in front of the 'right' official but it seems that many agents are full of BS when it comes to actually earning their money.

Diobas :

I was referring to here  in Viet. A good agent can be a big help by putting the papers in front of the 'right' official but it seems that many agents are full of BS when it comes to actually earning their money.

I understand what you are saying.
We did our own, didnt use an agent here. We were married in VN, not Thailand.They are blood sucking thieves who do squat.

Agreed. some time back my girlfriend sister wanted a divorce from her Viet husband . ..  several lawyers, agents and advisors later at a cost of around 6000 dollars and many court appearances all over the place plus many reassurances that ' all was fixed ' we need up doing it nearly all ourselves. .. .  a one year process full of frustration, anger and total disbelief in what was happening . We did get her divorced in the end but I reckon we wasted at least 6 months and 4000+ by being ' helped' in the process.

I may be misreading this but it still seems to me that your problem is neither Vietnamese bureaucrats nor the third party "fixers."  Your problem is the British consulate/Embassy.  In fact the solution may be someone who can manage your documents for you but in Britain, not in Vietnam.

I did a search of this forum for "British Consulate" and it returned the following on the third page:  https://www.expat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=738922

A link contained in the above:  https://www.gov.uk/government/news/chan … in-vietnam

Which includes this text:  "If you are in Vietnam and need your documents legalised, you will need to arrange for your documents to be sent to the UK, first to the Legalisation Office and then to the Vietnamese Embassy in London. Both these authorities accept applications by post and courier. Further information can be found on the UK Legalisation Office website and the Vietnamese Embassy website.

You can either get your documents legalised yourself or alternatively employ a commercial provider to do this on your behalf."

The above mentioned Legalisation Office website:   https://www.gov.uk/get-document-legalised

Another way of course would be to have a willing friend or relative hand walk the documents back in the UK.

THIGV.
Many thanks for the info, much appreciated ! It is very difficult here as there seems to be so many 'ways' of doing things. My girlfriend has been around and knows some people, one of whom arranged my driving licence , temporary residents card etc. Not cheap but better than most of the so called agents I have had dealings with before. He has said that not having the legalisation papers confirmed in England is not a problem despite all the guidelines. He reckons that as long as I have my previous wifes death cert, no indemnity from registrar in England etc etc then he can arrange for me to swear the accuracy of the documents with a state recognised lawyer. Now . . . .I know this is contrary to what is stated in the law here and does not comply with the Viet embassy guidelines . . . but he insists it can be done, for a price of course :-)) I have to get this underway one way or the other as my residency runs out in two months and being married will make the renewal process so much easier as well as give us other options. And thanks again for all the info !

If he really can do it then fine for you.  You might consider that legalizing (or legalising  :top: ) the documents in the UK may actually be less expensive than your way.  In post #8 you mention $2000.  Hopefully this is not the same individual who you described as ripping off your sister-in law in post #12.   Even if you can hold him to the $2000 and he doesn't come up with unforeseen additional expenses as these fellows often seem to, that is still probably a lot more more than the UK route.  On the other hand, he could be faster, again if things don't work as in #12. 

Either way good luck to you.   :cheers:

I am edging towards the legalisation route. It seems straight forward enough if I can get the papers forwarded to the Viet embassy from the legalisation office and then get them to send here, should only take a month with luck. I will let everyone know the result. Have a good New Year !

Diobas :

It seems straight forward enough if I can get the papers forwarded to the Viet embassy from the legalisation office and then get them to send here,.....

I didn't feel the need to dig into how you move the papers from the legalisation office to the Viet Embassy although the site seem to indicate they will move the papers for a fee.  This may be where the third party British agents come in.  I did a quick Google search (legalisation of documents in uk) and there are numerous companies.

Once again good luck.  I hope you can report back a positive result.

y get married if u r a man?

Thaiger :

y get married if u r a man?

Believe it or not, there are some of us who wish to provide the best possible circumstances for the women we love.  Unfortunately for you, you may not fall in this group.

dude, i can and do all of the above, withouht haveing yet being married.

I was born and raised strongly Irish Catholic.

And I would point out, any attempt at sanctomnoius' is somewhat invalidated byt the plural "women" we love"......

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Thaiger :

And I would point out, any attempt at sanctomnoius' is somewhat invalidated byt the plural "women" we love"......

Sanctimonious..?

..but  then, 'righteous indignation' is also jealousy with a halo...      :gloria

    Denigrating others and derogatory remarks don't cut the custard here    :idontagree:
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Thaiger :

And I would point out, any attempt at sanctomnoius' is somewhat invalidated byt the plural "women" we love"......

Due to rules of agreement, "Women we love" is plural because "some of us" is plural.  I am sorry if your grasp of the language failed to inform you.  :dumbom:

You continue to leave your origins murky.  You say are Irish Catholic, yet as has been pointed out, your online bio says you are from Belgium.  Perhaps at some point you became linguistically confused.

My origins are more than murky; but I manage...     :shy

Sadly, some of the vocal minority carry the extra burden of ESL

Me?  ..I mutilate English at every opportunity...     :whistle:

Plural object pronoun "us" needs to be in agreement, hence the use of "women" which is also plural.

Thaiger :

And I would point out, any attempt at sanctomnoius' is somewhat invalidated byt the plural "women" we love"......

Not at all. This is just an English language thing, the plural being acceptable as he's talking about several people in love, not just himself.

Thaiger :

And I would point out, any attempt at sanctomnoius' is somewhat invalidated byt the plural "women" we love"......

Aside from the correct usage of grammar, most men do have more than one woman in their lives with whom they have relationships, and if they're fortunate enough, very good relationships so that they can easily say they love them (the women in their lives).  Grandmothers, mothers, sisters, daughters, they're all women, aren't they?

Diobas:

Based on my experience working with lawyers in Thailand, suggest the following:

1. Ask the British Embassy in VN to recommend a translation service for your UK document;
2. Have the document translated, and insure the translation includes the translator's signature and his official company/professional seal;
3. Submit the Vietnamese translation, to which should be attached the original English document, to the British Embassy for authentication;
4. Ask the Vietnamese Foreign Affairs Ministry to certify the package.

The FA Ministry, in the example above, are fulfilling the same role as the Vietnamese Embassy in London: certifying the authenticity of the British government's stamp.

To confirm whether or not this will work in Vietnam, best to talk with a consular officer at the British Embassy who is familiar with the authentication of  British documents needed for submission to Vietnamese government authorities.

Good luck.

Diobas:


$2,000. is outrageous.

Best to speak with a consular officer at the UK Embassy who is familiar with the authentication of translated documents for the Vietnamese authorities, as I suggested a few minutes ago.

Let us know how you do with this.

Lanna Prince

Nope, please consider Hong Kong! I had a great and unbureaucratic experience... Sent them a HKG $ check for the paperwork. Everything worked, it was a matter of 2 x like 15 minutes. Once at the office, then at the Registrar's place.

Non English speaking taxi drivers were more challenging.

Thailand requires a "certificate" stating the groom is able to get married etc., I would have had to pay thousands of Dollars for that, as it required i. apostilles and ii. translations of a previous divorce... Hell no!

Hong Kong is expensive, so go honeymooig somewhere else...

GuestPoster584 :

I am edging towards the legalisation route. It seems straight forward enough if I can get the papers forwarded to the Viet embassy from the legalisation office and then get them to send here, should only take a month with luck. I will let everyone know the result. Have a good New Year !

Just a heads up:

It appears @Diobas has been assimilated.

Resistance is futile!

Seems to me the old addage 'a fool and his money will soon be parted'  appears you are really into  believing your girlfriends 'contacts' and in the tune of almost $10,000 now for various paper, licenses, documents, divirces and you are still not married after seven years?? .......... a reboot is in order, maybe the Govt is not the problem.

That said, and take this for what its worth - a American poster in Nha Trang 3 years ago has several businesses, came to odds with the local authorities over the Archaic law that unmarried folks cannot live together, even in the house HE Built...The Chief of Police didn't like him at all.......the beauracracy was so screwed up and they were blocked every step of the way.  He gathered his paperwork and took her to  Bangkok, got married in Thailand, had it translated and registered in the Vietnamese Embassy and came back to Vietnam married.  A proverbial stick in the eye of the Chief of Police.

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