Complications with marriage

Hi All

I came from Poland but I live in the UK and I'm British citizen. I'm divorced with two kids. I'm Christian.

I need a bit of legal advice

Me and my Egyptian man (Muslim) would love to get married but....he is already married to Muslim woman and they have two kids, Muslim wife and his family know about me and they agree for us to be together, for him to live with me in England etc but they don't agree for his divorce (I can't understand this!)

We have Urfi contract but I don't know how to go about getting married that uk would recognise it as in the future we would like to live here in the uk
(I won't move to Egypt due to kids education)

He is currently waiting for decision about his visitors visa (he's got long employment, house and land in his name, and business in his and his brother name) and build up case for EEA family permit (partnership) but if visitors visa will be refused then I don't really know what can we do to marry so uk (or Poland) can recognise it :-(

Thank you

I'm unsure the UK would accept a short term contract marriage from a man who is already legally married and I'm unsure the UK will accept a second marriage as a legal entity or a reason to allow a visa.

You realise these marriages are temporary, have no legal standing anywhere and generally used for sex only, don't you?

Yes I know that they are not legal and I know all aspects of bad naming for urfi contract
I got my eyes wide open on all positive and negative points of this situation

Just looking for legal way or if someone was in similar situation

Dear Mrs. Bojjbo

Hope you have a great day.

I can confirm from the legal aspects that customary marriage agreement "Urfi" never to be considered as an official document to be authenticated as a first step to present it at any governmental authorities or embassies as well, as simply most of people choose such like agreements to avoid ratification process, and they may only stamp it through law office, and it is not considered as official stamp in Egypt.

Best Regards,
Ahmad Hamza

Thank you for your reply however this I know...
My question was about how can we get legally married if he is already married

Thank you

To get married he needs to prove that he is not in official relationship elsewhere. We were getting married in Egypt but still, that was the paper Polish Embassy requested. I can't really imagine that you can avoid it in EU

That's great, so you should issue an official marriage agreement, and generally, you need the following before you go to the Office of Foreigner Marriage Registration at Ministry of Justice, Lazoghly Square, Downtown:

1- Family fund stamp, costs 50 EGP, sold at any Egypt Post office.
2- Medical check from any public hospital, free of charge, requires ID/Passport Copy + 2 personal photos.
3- For those who converted to Islam (were not born Muslims), you need a certificate of conversion to Islam, obtainable from Al-Azhar grand mosque, free of charge, requires Passport copy + Personal photo.
4- For the foreign party, you need your embassy's certificate of non-impediment (a.k.a Approval to marry). Requirements vary greatly from embassy to embassy in terms of documents, conditions and fees.

For instance embassy of Ukraine requires passport copy, personal photo (for the Ukrainian party) and payment of $60 for 3-day service or $120 for same-day service. On the other hand embassy of Russia requires a ton of documents from both partners (Egyptian and Russian). Embassy of Belarus requires a document from the Belorussian party from their home country proving they are single + payment of $30.   

Check ahead of arrival with your embassy in Cairo for the embassy's requirements to avoid unnecessary delays.

5- For the foreign party, if your embassy's approval does not state your religion, you need a document from the appropriate religious authority (refer to #3 for Muslims, for Christians you need a certificate of baptism from your local church here whether it's Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, Anglican ...etc.)
6- You need to stamp your embassy's approval from the Egyptian Ministry of Foreign Affairs Notary Office مكتب تصديقات وزارة الخارجية. Costs 11 Pounds and is served immediately.
7- You need original and copy of both parties' ID (Egyptian) and Passport (Foreign), 5 personal photos each (4x6 cm, white background), Copy of foreign party's entry stamp and visa.
8- You need two known male witnesses, and they need to bring their ID/passport and copies of which.
9- If the wife-to-be is divorced, she needs to bring her divorce, which needs to be final and 3 months must have elapsed since then. If she's a widow, 4 months and 10 days must elapse.

Divorce must be final (i.e.: agreed upon and the waiting period elapsed, OR the court order is a FINAL one after all appeals have been exhausted OR window for appeal passed without appeal).

All divorce documents must be EITHER issued by an Egyptian authority OR translated, stamped and notarized by the country's embassy AND subsequently the Egyptian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (or by the Egyptian Embassy in that country).

10- For most nationalities you need your visa to be valid and to get a stamp of touristic residence (available at Tahrir Complex Office of Immigration for free, served immediately (just ask for registration stamp).
11- For females from the following nationalities, she needs first to have a 6-months (or more) non-touristic residence visa
1- Philippines
2- Thailand
3- Malaysia
4- Srilanka
5- Bangladesh
6- India
7- Pakistan
8- All ex-USSR countries
9- Israel (also males)

If the applicant already has a visa (dependent, through a relative, work, student ...etc.) she can go ahead, otherwise there is a workaround I will state at the end of the conditions.

12- If the difference in age between the couple is more than 25 years, approval from the Office of Minister of Justice must be obtained.
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For point #11, if the wife-to-be does not have any means to get such visa (must be non-touristic), the following workaround can be done:

1- Obtain embassy approval per point #4 above. stamp it per point #6.
2- Get an Urfi marriage (common-law marriage) contract at a lawyer's office, costs around 500 EGP, must be stamped by the lawyer's office stamp.
3- Prepare the following : two copies of husband's ID card, wife's passport, wife's current visa, wife's entry stamp, embassy's approval, Urfi contract.
4- Proceed to Tahrir Complex - Office of Immigration, apply for a 6 month non-touristic residence visa using above documents.
5- After one week, couple will be interviewed by the Immigration Investigative services at the same place in Tahrir Complex. After that the documents will be sent to National Security for a background check.
6- After ~2 weeks, once visa is approved you can get the visa and pay the fees, after which you can proceed to get legally married.

Thank you...
But my point is that he is married to Muslim woman but we want to get married so our marriage is valid/legal in uk?

Please check the other stories written here in the expat website about other women's experiences with marrying an already married man. Lots of complications and disappointments. I wish you the best.

I've got my eyes wide open to all possiblities...

I was looking for similar stories on here but wasn't able to find it ?

you didn't need to do orfi marriage ;););)  that is as nothing here , or in UK .
you can marry with him legally in egypt , even he is married to a moslim woman ........ this can happen here ................. but , you have to bring official certificate that you are not married in your country

then come the other part ; the UK recognize your marriage with him .......... as far as i know , the UK will ask him for a family stae record ........ the family state record will show that he is married to both of you and his egyptian wife ............ as far as i know the british law doesn't accept more than 1 wife .......... so , the request will be refused
that is what i know honestly . I hope that i could help you with the proper answer to your question