Immigrants from Venezuela

Ok, interesting simple.........In my experience in Panama and Colombia the  Venezulanos typically outwork the locals.....Now Colombians work pretty good too compared to the typical Panas........But Venezulanos seem to have a work ethic....Yes they can be vocal.....My Pangrngo amigo has a Venez novia with an oil well in her back yard and she comes to Panama City all the time on huge buying sprees.....She hates Panameños and has no respect or tolerance for them......and is very vocal about it.....My amigo has to chill her out so she doesnt cause a riot.........So yes they can be demanding and bitchy.....but they have a work ethic or at least used to have.....I see them working good all over Colombia, Ecuador and Panama and Peru..........But hey, theres always a bad apple in the bunch...........How big of a deal are you gonna make out of 1 single bad apple?

dumluk :

Ok, interesting simple.........In my experience in Panama and Colombia the  Venezulanos typically outwork the locals.....Now Colombians work pretty good too compared to the typical Panas........But Venezulanos seem to have a work ethic....Yes they can be vocal.....My Pangrngo amigo has a Venez novia with an oil well in her back yard and she comes to Panama City all the time on huge buying sprees.....She hates Panameños and has no respect or tolerance for them......and is very vocal about it.....My amigo has to chill her out so she doesnt cause a riot.........So yes they can be demanding and bitchy.....but they have a work ethic or at least used to have.....I see them working good all over Colombia, Ecuador and Panama and Peru..........But hey, theres always a bad apple in the bunch...........How big of a deal are you gonna make out of 1 single bad apple?

My neighbors are Venezuelans and good people. Very friendly, and they go out of their way to be neighborly. For instance, being conversational, giving me Venezuelan food, etc. They, however, concede that young Venezuelans are doing bad things like robbing people om the streets.

As for, “How big of a deal are you gonna make out of 1 single bad apple?” I attribute such comment to your ignorance because you don’t live here. The murder in Ibarra was not the first. There was similar one in Ambato in which a Venezuelan stabbed a taxi driver to death repeatedly 28 times. It’s on social media.

There is cautious optimism in Quito by both Venezuelans and Ecuadorians. A lot of ojalá that Venezuela is on the cusp of change, and I’m deliberately avoiding political comments as expat.com does not allow it. The once proudful Venezuelans clearly want to return home if circumstances change  there. So, lets wait and see and hope (ojalá) that things in fact do change.

The Colombians echo your sentiments - as do all of us who would like to see the Venezuelan people have the chance to become prosperous and free once again in a representative government.

And Osage, when was the last time the Venezulanos actually did have a free and representative govt? I would be very interested to know......Not to say that Im not in favor of running this current pendejo out of town.........But really, when was the last good one...? At least chaTves in the beginning did try and uplift the huge % of impoverished..........But ironically, who ends up with all the money? The hija de Chavez.....worth something like $6 billion.........Personally, if I was Prez, (which aint gonna happen) I would sequester her wealth which by all accounts is invested in Wall St. (just like Ortegas).......It doesnt belong to her...........Shes got billions becuz her father stole it from the Venez people..........I really wonder about life and God when I find myself in agreement with people like Elliot Abrams and John Bolton and even Trumpf for that matter..........but in this situation with Venez, what other position can I take?  Ive never met a single Venez outside of Venez who supports the bus driver......Not a one.....And I have looked high and low...........

dumluk :

And Osage....I really wonder about life and God when I find myself in agreement with people like Elliot Abrams and John Bolton and even Trumpf for that matter.....

I take it as a good sign that you seem to be examining things analytically and perhaps coming up with some right answers...

Just saw a report on CNN International about the humanitarian crisis in Venez as they interviewed some refugees in Colombia.  An RN claimed back home she worked 15 days for a sack of flour.  A lawyer claimed there was no other way to feed her children.  Both women said they were selling sex in Colombia at $6 per man.  Sounds sad, gotta wonder if any of this is headed for Ecuador.  One would think the crisis has hit the breaking point, but the beat goes on.

I would be very surprised if it hasnt already hit Ecuador.....I met plenty Venezulanos there......and some real good lookin ones too......still chattin with em......But not one of em offered sex for plata........They were good chicas with dignity and working doing one thing or another.........But Im sure the hookers are there too.....Theres over 500,000 at last count right?

Whatever transpires in Colombia will be reflected much less in Ecuador. There are many reasons including Colombia’s huge border with Venezuela with capital Caracas only 400 miles away. The dynamics are completely different and the migration numbers to date reveal this reality as there are over 1 million Venezuelans in Colombia with many more crossing the border. Many of whom, we can assume return to Venezuela after earning money, buying food etc. In other words it's easier for them to go back and forth and they find convenience in that.

There’s also the fact that Ecuador only has a population of about 17 million people and there is only so much opportunity. On the ground in Quito, Venezuelans are noticeably less than they were last summer. For many Venezuelans, the allure of Ecuador has waned, and it’s also true for Ecuadorians as Venezuelans are no longer viewed favorably.

In simple terms, Ecuador is a dead-end for them, and apparently they have finally accepted this fact. What Ecuador remains is a corridor to Peru and wealthier Chile and Uruguay. And with a 72 hour pass, Venezuelans can make their way there.

Yup, there is more “control” now within Ecuador and also at the border as many are turned back, and I believe as much as 500 the first week of February.

As for the CNN piece, it seems like a sensationalized story. I know quite a few Venezuelans and they are nothing like the CNN article. But, I'm sure desperate people do desperate things.

I think some people assume that the migration problem would worsen in Ecuador from year to year. But as we’ve seen the past few months, it’s not the case. Here is an article from an Ecuadorian newspaper that details the situation at the border. The article states there were as many as 5000 thousand Venezuelans arriving daily in Ecuador last summer (Aug 2018). But nowadays, that number does not exceed 200 a day. Keep in mind that most of them move on-wards to Peru and elsewhere.

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