IMPORTANT NEW CHANGES FOR THOSE APPLYING FOR PERMANENT VISAS

Nikola Grace wrote:

Abthree thank you! It's nice to hear something is easy!

I have a further question I am going to request my criminal record check tomorrow (in  England then get it sent to me) when it is done do I need to get it apostillised? Or do I need to do something with it here? I know an apostille removes the need for double verification but I just want to check if I need to do it and not just get it translated and notarised at the cartorio here.


Thank you again

Yes, after Apostille it has to be Translated and Notarised in Brazil.

For a document to be accepted in Brazil it has to be sent to the consulate in you home country to be notarized to be legal in Brazil. The other way  is to have it  apostle. This is what my experience has been here in Brazil. You have only 90 day for the criminal record to be current.

But these days Consulate General Brazil is not Stamping on documents, Brazil Consulate in India stopped doing so.

As far as I am aware the Representations of Brazil in India have stopped attesting the documentations due to the fact that from 14 August, 2016, Brazil has become part of the Hague Apostille Convention.

Hence any documents issued in India, will need an apostille label issued by the Ministry of External Affairs of India.

Brazil Consulate in India Instructions for Legalization of documents

Attaching the consular link which states the exact details above

Hope this helps

stanza51 wrote:

As far as I am aware the Representations of Brazil in India have stopped attesting the documentations due to the fact that from 14 August, 2016, Brazil has become part of the Hague Apostille Convention.

Hence any documents issued in India, will need an apostille label issued by the Ministry of External Affairs of India.

Brazil Consulate in India Instructions for Legalization of documents

Attaching the consular link which states the exact details above

Hope this helps

Yes what Stanza51 has said is the right way.

Hi All, are there any other documents that need to be apostilled apart from your criminal record check?

I would just rather them all get sent at once.

Thank you,
Nikola

Hey guys,
Just a few questions I'm hoping someone could shed some light on. I got married in Brazil january 2018 but due to my criminal background check being out of date by a week I couldn't apply for my visa. I have paid the visa fees, does this expire or can I use it again when I'm back in March this year to apply for a visa again? Also I have to pay R$9,100 for overstaying but when I left the airport they did not have any of the documents left to give me when I re-enter. Do I pay when I arrive back in Rio at the airport? How do I pay this? Also do i have to wait a certain lenth of time before i can return again? They never mentioned this when i was leaving any help would be greatly appreciated

Hi

Just wanna find out if anyone has done a Power of Attorney (POA) to collect the CRNM on their behalf? Was there any problem in collecting? I assume the grantee has to produce the original Protocolo plus POA in front of the PF?

If so, could someone kindly advise the requirements on the POA? I am trying to get the embassy in my country to do it and they asked me to check with Sao Paulo PF on their requirements...does anyone have a template that they have used and could share?

Thanks!

My mother in Law collected my RG with just a slip of paper......

Hi Stevefunk,

Thanks for your reply!
Was this recent and in Sao Paulo? Did she just turn up with your original protocolo?

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jland912, Mike in São Paulo, Stevefunk should be able to answer your query.

well it was an RG which is the document you get when you become a citizen, but what I'm saying is they don't seem to strict on collections......did you get some kind of a receipt,I'd say that and the protocol should be sufficient but best to call and ask....

Aisling7 - not sure how but
here is law about it - http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/_a … L13445.htm - you can read (google translate if you portuguese is not good enough) - perhaps you can find the answer there.

You can also appeal against the fine if this amount is to high for you (but depends on your income etc). if this amount it's not big problem for you then I guess it would be difficult. Good lawyer should help.

Aisling7 - not sure how but
here is law about it - http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/_a … L13445.htm - you can read (google translate if you portuguese is not good enough) - perhaps you can find the answer there.

You can also appeal against the fine if this amount is to high for you (but depends on your income etc). if this amount it's not big problem for you then I guess it would be difficult. Good lawyer should help.

and as far as the source says here you pay it on re-entering the country
https://givebirthinbrazil.com/2017/07/0 … in-brazil/

Hey,
Thanks for this! I know I need to pay on re-entering but the problem is all flights arrive in at 8pm so am I risking being sent back again as the banks would be closed by then?

thanks @stevefunk!
I managed to get an email response from the PF and it seems like there wouldn't be any problem if I collect the CRNM later after my protocolo expires (I was worried if I needed to redo the whole process!)...she just mentioned I have to enter as a visitor instead.

does anyone have similar experience whose protocolo expired and still be able to collect their CRNM?

thanks

"IF" they do say something, you will have to pay it before you next leave Brazil. They will not make you pay on the spot.

You can nominate someone to collect it on your behalf, then have them post it to you. I thought i might need to do this but I received my card in time.

I had my wife pay my fine when I was back in the US. I send here a copy by email she was able to pay it. It goes into their data base but she sent me a copy of the paid paperwork just in case when I return they never as to see it.

Can someone that went to Brazil with a VITEM XI visa tell us what they did once they arrived in Brazil? I am trying to figure out if going to the Cartario is necessary first step to get documents or can we go straight to the Policia Federal. Thanks

I think you approach Polícia Federal.

I recently flew back to Brazil in December of 2018, and at the time I Owed $r 1000 Real for overstaying by 10 days. I flew from Montevideo to Sao Paulo.
I Arrived at 2200 hrs (10pm)., again in Sao Paulo. The Federal Police escorted me to a Currency Exchange Company within the Airport who Has a contract with Brasil to Accept these payments of fees. They Took my 1000 Real, gave me a Reciept and then the Federal Policeman and I went Back to to immigration Entrance Booth, he Put the data into the System and I made my Entry into Brasil, took 30 minutes maximum.
Try for a flight into Sao Paulo, or check Rio and see if they have any Agreements like this with A Currency Exchange company at Rios Airport.
If not, and you absolutely must fly into Rio for whatever reason and you must fly in after the banks are closed, then make sure you bring the money you owe, to be able to show and tell the Federal police that you Are Happy to pay it, and they will basically just babysit you until the bank opens, they wont turn you back...I dont believe....
But, for peace of mind, I would suggest getting a flight during banking business hours or flying to Sao Paulo....
Good luck

Also keep this in mind...
Brasil Charges Interest on the Amount of Money that You Owe them! 10%
If you owe 9100 Reai, the total when you pay Brasil will come to Approx 10.0000 Reai
They made me pay this fee when I reentered
Sorry to be bearer of bad news, but want you to know so that you may not be unprepared

Ljd
Good input!  Glad it worked out for you.

Very good Ljd!

Hey all,

Can someone advise on the criminal background check needed for UK citizen applying for VITEM XI visa? Is it a basic DBS check or a copy of police records? And does it need to be signed by a notary public as well as having it apostilled stamped before I return to Brazil?

Many thanks

Have you checked the Visas page of the Brazilian Consulate General in London website?   It appears to answer your questions.

Full police check with apostille not older than 90 days and must be translated. Translations are cheaper to do in Brazil.

Thanks for the information. . Much appreciated

I Just Completed this Process in December of last year, Dec 2018, so the info I give is soley based upon my knowledge of having Done this myself and my successful Completion of this process.

The Police certificate has to be issued from the U.K Federal Police, whoever that may be in the U.K. such as Scotland yard, Interpol etc...I would Ask the Brazilian embassy/consulate Which Police dept they Wish the Records from.
As far as being detailed, Yes they have to Be Complete with and detailed like in my Case, the R.C.M.P Certificate from Canada was only one page long, as it said No Arrests, No Convictions NO Records, it was simple. But for another person it may be a few pages long which will detail any arrests and or Criminal Activity....
That Aside, When you Apply for this Certificate in the U.K., I am sure they like Canada will ask you what the purpose of the request is for and when you tell them for a Visa to Immigrate to Another Country they will Provide Exactly the Proper Police Certificate that Is Required. Canada asked, they had about 6 different choices to choose from and for Immigration purposes was the first choice on list!
The Certificate must be issued within the Last 90 Days. Certificate must then be Taken to The Brazillian embassy/Consulate in the U.K. along with with a Proper Apostilla affixed to it. And then the Brazilian embassy/consulate will Certify the records.
PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING AS IT IS IMPORTANT
Having it Notarized prior to taking it to Brazilian consulate is Actually Done by Your Countries Ministry of Foreign Affairs or whatever that ministry is called in the U.K, and They, YOUR COUNTRIES MINISTRY Affixes A Proper APOSTILLA (An apostilla is a government Notary and done by a Government that issued the original document, as a True Document,  but fancy and legal name for these Notarized Government documents is Called an Apostilla)
Then You Take All of that To the Brazillian embassy/consulate in the U.K. And they In Turn Will Certify the Records! They Will Affix their seal and signature saying they are True Documents.
Then you will Bring this to Brasil, and when Applying for your Visa you Will Give it to the Federal Police Who are Processing your Visa.

abthree wrote:

Once your CRNM is issued, your clock for naturalization can start.

I've been trying to find some indication of how long this takes for someone married to a Brazilian citizen. I see in your post later in this thread where you said "Depending on your status, that can mean a waiting period of from one to five years."
Do you know if that timeline affected at all by being married to a Brazilian citizen?

Yes.  If you're married to a Brazilian, the wait time is reduced to one year, from the normal four.  Google "Naturalização Ordinária", and you should find the details.

abthree wrote:

Yes.  If you're married to a Brazilian, the wait time is reduced to one year, from the normal four.  Google "Naturalização Ordinária", and you should find the details.

Thank you. I'm still not clear though. After one year I can apply for citizenship, but then how long is the process after one applies?

fifthhouse wrote:

Thank you. I'm still not clear though. After one year I can apply for citizenship, but then how long is the process after one applies?

That depends on the internal processes of the Ministry of Justice, and especially how many applications they happen to be dealing with.   Figure that it will take at least as long as your CRNM took, and probably longer.
As it happens, I filed mine this week.  It took three brief (less than two hours each, wait time included) visits to the Federal Police:  one to make an appointment to hand my request in, one to actually hand in my request and for the officer to scan my documents into the system, and the last because I had only copied the Information page of my passport, and they want a copy of every page, so I had to return with that.
After the second visit, they gave me a Protocolo, and said that it was good for six months, and that if I hadn't heard anything by then, to come in and they'd renew it.  But that was what they said when I applied for permanent residency, too, and my CIE came in two months.  So I'm hopeful.

abthree wrote:

fifthhouse wrote:

Thank you. I'm still not clear though. After one year I can apply for citizenship, but then how long is the process after one applies?

That depends on the internal processes of the Ministry of Justice, and especially how many applications they happen to be dealing with.   Figure that it will take at least as long as your CRNM took, and probably longer.
As it happens, I filed mine this week.  It took three brief (less than two hours each, wait time included) visits to the Federal Police:  one to make an appointment to hand my request in, one to actually hand in my request and for the officer to scan my documents into the system, and the last because I had only copied the Information page of my passport, and they want a copy of every page, so I had to return with that.
After the second visit, they gave me a Protocolo, and said that it was good for six months, and that if I hadn't heard anything by then, to come in and they'd renew it.  But that was what they said when I applied for permanent residency, too, and my CIE came in two months.  So I'm hopeful.

Congratulations on your application, a landmark in your journey I'm sure!  Hope to get there myself within a year or two.

Ok, thanks again for your help. I'm just trying to have a good overview of the process so I can have some reasonable understanding of what to expect.

Thanks!
A couple of helpful hints:
-- you can get your local and federal criminal background checks online, and print them off at home -- easy.
-- they really READ the sworn translations of my FBI background check and its apostille.  They were not perfunctory about it.
-- My FBI background check was dated in mid-January, to hit the 90 day window.  I don't know how firmly they enforce that, but didn't want to take any chances.
-- Make sure to have copy of your entire passport, including the covers.  When/if you move household goods to Brazil, Customs wanted the same thing, so I scanned it into my computer then, and created a Word document with four pages to a sheet.  I just print it out whenever I have to provide a complete passport copy.

Hello all

Does the application for citizenship require success in checking the Celpe-Bras  ...?

And is it true that those who have exceeded 50 years of age, success in the examination of language is not required?

I was granted permanent residence staus based on common law.  Was given this the same day I applied.  From what I've read the requirements for citizenship, Fluent in the language and marriage certificate.  I remember something about length of time as well. Think  its after 3 years of marriage. Haven't seen anything about persons over the age of 50.