I hope fred gets this as he seems to be the man to talk to. thanks fred. just purchased 8are in lovina and am in the process of urugging the plot. although not a paddy, it is quite muddy. have contacted a guy in bali who can carry out the job. he will also build a surrounding wall through 3 sections leaving the front open for the build. he has quoted me 120 mil for the job, although nego. just a little bit curious. it seems a little cheap. do you have any advice for me. thanks mate