Electric cars and expats

Like Tesla Motors, the Chinese car makers (Geely in this case) are very good at producing press releases. One has to wait and see how much of it is just hot air!

When they make 110 plug that's Universal, I'm in. Once the Installation of Compatible Charging Stations,I'm in. Well as of now can't afford any car eléctric or conventual, I'm out. Count me in we the cars fly and the Teleports are here.

Considering the car culture do you really expect some plug-in compact to replace work horse pick ups?

Alascana wrote:

When they make 110 plug that's Universal, I'm in. Once the Installation of Compatible Charging Stations,I'm in. Well as of now can't afford any car eléctric or conventual, I'm out. Count me in we the cars fly and the Teleports are here.

Teleports
Its "life" Jim. But not as we know it

twostep wrote:

Considering the car culture do you really expect some plug-in compact to replace work horse pick ups?

No reasonable person (outside of the USA) "needs" an oversized, gas-guzzling SUV or pick-up - and neither do they exist elsewhere in great numbers.
Thus the real question here is: Will some plug-in compact replace petrol or diesel compacts? I think yes!

I've worked with Volvo in the past on alternative fuelled vehicles and also ran a couple of electric vans in a fleet I was responsible for in the UK.  For the family local run-around, electric is a viable option, for people who want to go further, then hybrid is the way ahead.  For commercial distribution vehicles, except for local work, for now, we're stuck with diesel, as nothing else provides the torque and range that a diesel engine does.

Cynic wrote:

nothing else provides the torque and range that a diesel engine does.

You forgot trains!
They already transport a considerable portion of all goods in Europe and elsewhere, despite being diadvantaged against cars, as they have to build and pay for their own "roads" (which car users get free of charge compliments of governments and taxes).

beppi wrote:

Cynic wrote:

nothing else provides the torque and range that a diesel engine does.

You forgot trains!
They already transport a considerable portion of all goods in Europe and elsewhere, despite being diadvantaged against cars, as they have to build and pay for their own "roads" (which car users get free of charge compliments of governments and taxes).

Didn't forget trains, just not confusing the different modal operations.  Electric rail is environmentally friendly; diesel rail is as polluting as a truck.  The other problem with rail, is it is limited by the capacity of the track itself and the length of any passing loops; for example, if you have one rail line with no passing loops, then you can only ever fit one train on your line; if you add passing loops, then you double your capacity, but then limit the length of your train by the length of that loop; there is a lot more to it, but the boredom level normally strikes about now (yes, I used to work in rail operations as well).

We have had electric vans, in the UK for some 50 years
they were   Electic milk floats

"One pint or two Sir"   lol
up the workers

spanishpete wrote:

We have had electric vans, in the UK for some 50 years
they were   Electic milk floats

Old tech but it sort of proves a point.
I recall being told electric vehicles were milk floats and not a lot more but tech moves ahead quickly so we're now seeing the first generation of practical electric vehicles. We're told these are impractical because of limited range and will never be of much use but that, with my notable Barnsley total lack of charm, is a load of old horse poop.
I remember my first mobile phone, a brick that would call numbers at a crazy price per minute and not so much as an SMS capability to show off - I was informed they'd never come to much.

Much as the oil and arms industries want electric cars to fail, that lot are a bunch of old king Cnuts trying to hold back the tide.
These things will improve and the renewable energy industry will thrive, and that's going to see a massive set of changes for a lot of people, that including expats in many a field.

Cynic wrote:

Electric rail is environmentally friendly; diesel rail is as polluting as a truck.

While the second part of your sentence is certainly true, the first needs further specification:
Whether electric transport (rail or road) is good for the environment depends heavily on how the electricity is generated. It is definitely NOT free of pollution!
I have seen studies finding that in countries with predominantly non-polluting power generation (Norway, Brazil and France are tops here!), electric cars are much better than petrol-driven ones, but where coal is mostly used in power plants (e.g. China, Australia) it is better for the environment to drive with petrol than electric!
In addition, driving on gas (I mean Liquidized Petroleum Gas, LPG, not what people in the USA mistakenly call "gas") is best in most countries, but gas-driven cars strangely remain rare.
(I worked in the Li-Ion battery industry for a while.)

France to ban sales of petrol and diesel cars by 2040

France will end sales of petrol and diesel vehicles by 2040 as part of an ambitious plan to meet its targets under the Paris climate accord, Emmanuel Macron's government has announced.

The announcement comes a day after Volvo said it would only make fully electric or hybrid cars from 2019 onwards, a decision hailed as the beginning of the end for the internal combustion engine's dominance of motor transport after more than a century.

Nicolas Hulot, the country's new ecology minister, said: “We are announcing an end to the sale of petrol and diesel cars by 2040.” Hulot added that the move was a “veritable revolution”.

He said it would be a “tough” objective for carmakers but France's industry was well equipped to make the switch. “Our [car]makers have enough ideas in the drawer to nurture and bring about this promise ... which is also a public health issue.”

Hulot insisted that the decision was a question of public health policy and “a way to fight against air pollution”. The veteran environmental campaigner was among several political newcomers to whom Macron gave top jobs in his government.

Pascal Canfin, the head of WWF France and a former Green politician who served in François Hollande's government, said the new policy platform to counter climate change went further than previous administrations in France. “It places France among the leaders of climate action in the world,” he told France Inter radio.

Prof David Bailey, an automotive industry expert at Aston University, said: “The timescale involved here is sufficiently long term to be taken seriously. If enacted it would send a very clear signal to manufacturers and consumers of the direction of travel and may accelerate a transition to electric cars.”

Norway, which has the highest penetration of electric cars in the world, has set a target of only allowing sales of 100% electric or plug-in hybrid cars by 2025.

Other countries have floated the idea of banning cars powered by an internal combustion engine to meet air quality and climate change goals, but have not yet passed concrete targets.

The Netherlands has mooted a 2025 ban for diesel and petrol cars, and some federal states in Germany are keen on a 2030 phase-out.

India, where scores of cities are blighted by dangerous air pollution, is mulling the idea of no longer selling petrol or diesel cars by 2030, and said it wants to introduce electric cars in “a very big way”.

France's announcement came as Bloomberg New Energy Finance predicted electric cars would come to dominate the automotive market more quickly and dramatically than previously thought.

Electric vehicles will make up 54% of all light-duty vehicle sales by 2040, up from the 35% share Bloomberg was forecasting just last year, according to a new report by the research group.

Bloomberg said such a widespread uptake of electric vehicles would globally reduce oil demand by 8m barrels a day and increase electricity consumption by 5% to charge all the new cars.

French car manufacturers Peugeot, Citroen and Renault ranked first, second and third on a 2016 list of large car manufacturers with the lowest carbon emissions, the European Environment Agency said.

Just 0.6% of new car registrations across the EU last year were for pure electric vehicles, compared with 1.1% of new cars sold in France.

French-Japanese carmaker Renault-Nissan has been an enthusiastic early advocate for the vehicles, taking 14.6% of the EU market share for battery-powered vehicles. The firm has built 425,000 of the more than 2m electric cars sold globally.

France's reliance on nuclear power stations for 80% of its electricity supply means that a shift to electric vehicles rather than oil-powered ones would dramatically cut its remaining carbon emissions.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 … cron-volvo

It seems Macron is also good at producing press releases - but he will not be in office any more in 2040!

Its all fachionable for the moment,, but will go out of style

i am going for the nuclear reactor... the size of an egg in my new car

I HOPE TESLA cars be in egypt soon

akrumnasr wrote:

I HOPE TESLA cars be in egypt soon

Yes that would look great. With a 50 cal michine gun on top
use the enersher from the machine gun to charge the batteries
                                   "up the workers" if there is any

also teh charging station can we use solar cell

beppi wrote:

Cynic wrote:

Electric rail is environmentally friendly; diesel rail is as polluting as a truck.

While the second part of your sentence is certainly true, the first needs further specification:
Whether electric transport (rail or road) is good for the environment depends heavily on how the electricity is generated. It is definitely NOT free of pollution!
I have seen studies finding that in countries with predominantly non-polluting power generation (Norway, Brazil and France are tops here!), electric cars are much better than petrol-driven ones, but where coal is mostly used in power plants (e.g. China, Australia) it is better for the environment to drive with petrol than electric!
In addition, driving on gas (I mean Liquidized Petroleum Gas, LPG, not what people in the USA mistakenly call "gas") is best in most countries, but gas-driven cars strangely remain rare.
(I worked in the Li-Ion battery industry for a while.)

The same applies to all modes of transport; the most influential aspects of environmental performance is always the operator; how effectively you drive/steer/operate/fly the thing will always matter.  The same logic applies to power generation; if a country pay little attention to environmental matters, then there is little point in wasting our time and effort to minimise it further on down the line.  Interestingly (and dragging this back on thread), Volvo have had an environmentally neutral manufacturing facility in Sweden for a long time.

Li-ion batteries on on their way out, soon to be replaced by sodium-ion; you read it here first folks.

Cynic wrote:

Li-ion batteries on on their way out, soon to be replaced by sodium-ion; you read it here first folks.

Really? They used to have to be above 250 deg C at all times to function. Did someone find a way around that? (Otherwise they're empty after a day of parking, just from heating themselves ...)

Cynic wrote:

Li-ion batteries on on their way out, soon to be replaced by sodium-ion; you read it here first folks.

Nope, I read it there second.
I happened on an article in ACS life about this, that saying how many of the problems with Sodium ion batteries are on the way to being solved.
We have to remember the state of play with the first lithium ions that were a bit crap at best and had serious with battery life.

Sounds similar to the Headlines I read today, "Earth will Explode in the year 2230"

akrumnasr wrote:

also teh charging station can we use solar cell

A Tesla Supercharger runs on 145kW electrical power - equivalent to the output of 1000 sqm solar cells in full mid-day sun (or more if the weather is not perfect).
A solar cell system of that size costs around a million US$ to install.
Do you have that space and money?

beppi wrote:

A solar cell system of that size costs around a million US$ to install.
Do you have that space and money?

The first mobile phones cost a small fortune and were crap - not any more.

beppi wrote:

Cynic wrote:

Li-ion batteries on on their way out, soon to be replaced by sodium-ion; you read it here first folks.

Really? They used to have to be above 250 deg C at all times to function. Did someone find a way around that? (Otherwise they're empty after a day of parking, just from heating themselves ...)

Apparently all is well in the So-ion camp, to the extent that they reckon they will be common use within the next couple of years.

I'm hoping that the cost of these new batteries will come down as a result.  As somebody who's been operating electric vans for almost 5-years now, the cost of replacement batteries is jaw-droppingly (£5k) expensive.

Fred wrote:

beppi wrote:

A solar cell system of that size costs around a million US$ to install.
Do you have that space and money?

The first mobile phones cost a small fortune and were crap - not any more.

I know i bought one it was 1400 english pounds and about the same wight

spanishpete wrote:

Alascana wrote:

When they make 110 plug that's Universal, I'm in. Once the Installation of Compatible Charging Stations,I'm in. Well as of now can't afford any car eléctric or conventual, I'm out. Count me in we the cars fly and the Teleports are here.

Teleports
Its "life" Jim. But not as we know it

Come on "Scotty" steer the Frickn ship and I think that Astroids name is 'Titanic' and the band continued to play!
And use the HiGh beams, dammit man there's two switches! Wow and your fuel bill is due!/lmao

Alascana wrote:

When they make 110 plug that's Universal, I'm in.

Bit unlikely as very few countries use that crappy system ... oh, and it's crappy, that being the reason US homes are wired to give 240v to appliances incapable of using the limited 120v supply.

Hang on.. 120?

More and more carparks are being made fitted with EV chargers

Fred wrote:

Alascana wrote:

When they make 110 plug that's Universal, I'm in.

Bit unlikely as very few countries use that crappy system ... oh, and it's crappy, that being the reason US homes are wired to give 240v to appliances incapable of using the limited 120v supply.

Hang on.. 120?

And when where  you last in the US to see what they have? For we are catching up to 3rd World tecnology (lol), for we are building a Solar Wall and that should solve any European questions, we are loaded for bear and we appreciate your concern. Keep the Faith and Make The USA Gr8 again.
just sayn.

Solar Roads might be an idea of charging cars?

Ive see something like that in Brazil, but it's not thru the meter,  and thay call it meow meow in other words stealing the power

You guys have to think a bit less 1970 and and a lot more star trek.
We've gone from electric milk floats to mainstream top quality manufacturers producing electric cars.
Batteries have gone from something that stopped working every winter to being able to power a car for a lot of miles.
Today's tech isn't the end of the line, more one more stepping stone in what is to come next, and the next after that.
Electric cars are the same, just the next piece of the journey technology is taking.
Electric cars might well never take off just as the fantastic plasma TV never did because something new and better turns up, just as we saw with LCD and LED TVs.
Who knows what's next ot next to be improved? Perhaps we could ask Honda how they're doing with their new Clarity fuel cell.

Out of the box drives tech forward but there's still a lot of thinking so fixed inside the box, the ruddy thing must have 20 layers of sticky tape holding it shut.

Charging an electric car from a normal household power point is a bit unlikely:
They are rated at 15A, which at 110V (USA and a few other third world locations) means 1650W and in the rest of world 3450W.
To charge a typical 25kWh (e.g. Nissan Leaf) electrical car battery with this would take 18 hours (USA) or 9 hours (elsewhere). The new Tesla Model 3, with a 60kWh battery (in it's lower range version), needs more than double of that.
Since this is not practical, you need to lay a special high power connection (with huge cables) to charge your electric car at home. This isn't cheap, and the reason public charging stations are becoming more common in some places (incl. TESLA's Supercharger network, which charges with 145kW).
There is no standard for chargers yet, but since every charging technology needs the car to be designed differently, they have different plugs to prevent accidentally charging with the wrong method and causing damage.

Konwing this lot, They  will get there charge,for there Electric cars from a phone charger thats running from the lamp post LOL

Okay, so taking mines out once a week for groceries = 6 days on charge .
Will somone do the math. And my next model will take flight.
We are the " Jetsons"(rotflbo ) and you fuel bill is !.

spanishpete wrote:

Konwing this lot, They  will get there charge,for there Electric cars from a phone charger thats running from the lamp post LOL

Good luck with that, and please post how it's working out for you (lol)

beppi wrote:

Charging an electric car from a normal household power point is a bit unlikely:

TVs are big, expensive, have a very poor quality tiny black and white picture and are unreliable.



Dude, star trek.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/56 … b43f2646.j

Volta's battery from 1800



Batteries are impractical experimental devices restricted to laboratory research and hold no practical use.

A typical mobile phone battery with loads more capacity



Dudes, Star trek.