Brexit consequences for expats

Hi Veedushi,

Personally I would have voted for Brexit if I were living in the UK at the time. I am against this centralized Government thing and following Brexit we can see how those people who control the Brits behave.

Many of the points you bring up might happen but then it works both ways, so if the EU wants to get tough with the UK then probably the UK will do the same back at the EU. This is what the negotiations will all be about.

Nevertheless, because of the close relationship between the UK and the EU, I think that controls on visas, employment and studies will reach a compromise that benefits both sides. At least, this would be smart and I am sure it is what the Brits would like. The problem as I see it is that those who run the EU seem to be out for blood and to take revenge on the UK. If this was to happen then they could spoil things for everyone.

I have friends in the UK running local government. As far as they are concerned everyone in the UK has gone mad. Property prices will drop (not a bad thing for all), the price of holidays overseas will become much more expensive, and job security is a worry. Pensioners may get less than they expected, and already many of them must continue to work well beyond their retirement age to make ends meet.

Currently it has become very difficult for non Europeans to move to the UK to live and work. But perhaps in the future things will change and if the UK adopts the point system for immigration then that would allow people from other parts of the world to come to the UK to live and work. I do not see that as a bad thing.

But probably, like most people think, the rules about free movement within the EU was one of the deciding factors that made people vote for Brexit. That and having to hand over £349 million to the EU every week (now recalculated at £199 million I believe). Oh, and having people in Bruxelles like Jean Claude Juncker telling the Brits what they can and cannot do.

So I feel positive about the UK's future although it will take time. I believe that without the controls of the EU that the UK will thrive again in the future and perhaps do even better than before. I believe that in the future the UK will have more respect in the world, and continue to be a magnet for investment and for the wealthy. And I believe that many of the regulations that currently exist as part of the EU could loosely be continued but that it would very much depend on how tough the EU leaders want to be on the UK in the Brexit negotiations.

There are so many issues that could be discussed including border security. I feel the UK would like to be flexible, but we'll only really have an idea about all of this once the Brexit negotiations begin.


Brexit has turned out to be a double whammy for Switzerland!  :sosad:

The rich Brits are not prepared to splash out so much anymore and are staying away from the exclusive hotels in Zermatt (to look at the Matterhorn, drink tea etc.).
And lots of visitors from China, Japan and elsewhere that previously might have visited Switzerland are now all flocking to London attracted by the cheap British pound.

What shall we poor Swiss do?  :unsure

Actually, I'm pleased to know things are not going too bad for the UK.  ;)

El_Jost :

Actually, I'm pleased to know things are not going too bad for the UK.  ;)

How do you know? It will take 2 years and article 50 has not been triggered yet.

It's looking a lot like the politicians are either too wimpy to get on with the thing or they're too worried about their cushy eurojob being lost when they become has beens.
That lot show us why no one has any respect for their pointless breed.

I think that comment is very far from reality.

Politicians are taking their time in order to work out the best approach to Brexit and preparing for the negotiations which are extremely complex with repercussions into almost every aspect of British life. Rushing into it would be foolish. New Government departments have been established and work is going on in planning for the negotiations. The Brexit negotiations are possibly the most complicated negotiations that the British Government will ever make and they cannot afford to be unprepared or to badly negotiate as it would be considered as yet another failure of the current government. And, those with cushy Eurojobs who you speak of are not pulling the strings, these are mid level politicians who do not make policy.

Secondly, there always remains a possibility of Brexit not happening. As we keep hearing, if the vote was taken again, probably the British population would vote to stay. The fact is that nobody really expected Brexit to win and everyone was taken by surprise by the result. Now, in retrospect, with all the bad things that are happening to the UK economy and gloomy predictions ahead, people may demand a new vote.

But hey, don't get me wrong, if I was eligible to vote I would have voted pro-Brexit.

We all have to remember that Britain is the first country to leave the EU, so it is "The blind leading the blind" it is all unfamiliar ground for everyone, not just Britain but all the EU countries.

As Hanson says correctly it is a very complex situation as negotiations will take time and can not be rushed.

What will happen to EU citizens living in the UK, will they need a visa or not to continue to stay? The same with Brits living in the EU..... Thats just 2 questions there are many more.

We finally have some more solid news, and it's going to upset a lot of people.
May says the EU are playing tough, so she's given them the finger and said the whole job is off, that including freedom of movement.
The dropping of the single market is likely to be a headache for expats who trade in the EU as it is today, but the loss of UK contributions to the EU might very well mean an end for Greece in that same club.
There is one thing that's 100%, this is going to create issues for expats but some are more likely to be effected than others, probably starting with Polish expats in the UK.

Theresa May has said the UK "cannot possibly" remain within the European single market, as staying in it would mean "not leaving the EU at all".
But the prime minister promised to push for the "greatest possible" access to the single market following Brexit.
In a long-awaited speech, she also announced Parliament would get a vote on the final deal agreed between the UK and the European Union.
And Mrs May promised an end to the UK's "vast contributions" to the EU.
The prime minister used the speech to announce the UK's 12 priorities for Brexit negotiations:
Maintaining the common travel area between the UK and Irish Republic
Tariff-free trade with the EU
A customs agreement with the EU
Continued "practical" sharing of intelligence and policing information
"Control" of immigration rights for EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in the EU

More news.

Some EU countries have tossed their rattles out of their prams and decided Brexit is going to be made as difficult as possible. The European court has also said it will mess about, but a non EU Britain can safely ignore them.
The parliament vote has been taken and 50 will go ahead.
A couple of points are expat related.

Trade: The UK will withdraw from the single market and seek a new customs arrangement and a free trade agreement with the EU.

Immigration: A new system to control EU migration will be introduced, and could be phased in to give businesses time to prepare. The new system will be designed to help fill skills shortages and welcome "genuine" students.

Expats: The government wants to secure an agreement with European countries "at the earliest opportunity" on the rights of EU nationals in the UK and Britons living in Europe.

I see this new trade plan as a massive opportunity for expats in a variety of countries.
The EU governments are going to look pretty bad if they block the third.

Fred :

The EU governments are going to look pretty bad if they block the third.

You mean that they can look like worse than they do now?  :o

9th March looks to be the date things start rolling......

English2Francais :
Fred :

The EU governments are going to look pretty bad if they block the third.

You mean that they can look like worse than they do now?  :o

I'm trying to keep my posts as factual and non aligned as possible, and I'm trying to stick to expat related issues.
I may totally fail on occasion, but I'm trying.

My general opinion regarding politicians is no secret either; that being I believe the vast majority are somewhere just below lawyers on my contempt scale but, as Orwell might well have said, all politicians are contemptible but some politicians are more contemptible than others.

I hate using the Daily Mail as a source but that nasty little rag is the only one to publish a picture of the document so I'll have to.
The same story is in several papers so it looks like they aren't making this one up.
Assuming this is true, and it looks like it could be, there will be massive issues for expats on both sides as the EU will almost certainly retaliate in kind and probably worse.
The news coming out of Europe suggests EU officials want to punish the UK as harshly as possible so, as it common with politicians, normal people will suffer for their actions.
One chink of light finding its way through the poopstorm that is Brexit, this leak could be a bargaining ploy intended to get back at Europe for the massive Brexit bill some EU officials are trying to push.

Brexit migration blueprint revealed: Massive Home Office leak of 'extremely sensitive' plans shows end of free movement for EU workers heading to Britain
Entire 82-page document on Britain's immigration proposals was leaked tonight
The document insists in future immigration must benefit Britain as a whole
It makes clear free movement will be axed immediately after Brexit happens
The proposals are tougher than many had expected Britain to suggest imposing

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