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Hungary to scrap law on Sunday shopping ban

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http://www.portfolio.hu/en/economy/hung … 31158.html

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http://www.portfolio.hu/en/economy/hung … 31163.html

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http://www.portfolio.hu/en/economy/this … 31159.html

Wow. How quickly do you think shops will react?
Do you think shops will be open this Sunday?

gazamataz :

Do you think shops will be open this Sunday?

According to local Hungarian News, yes, shops can open this weekend.

If they have the staff organized to do so or not is another matter. I am sure there will be a human resource and scheduling disaster for many businesses for weeks due to this flip-flop of the law.

But that is yet another question mark from a government that did not bother to actually consult with those affected (i.e. the businesses or the consumer) before passing legislation.

But of course, the current government is notorious for often not bothering to consult with affected parties before suggesting or passing legislation.

klsallee :

If they have the staff organized to do so or not is another matter. I am sure there will be a human resource and scheduling disaster for many businesses for weeks due to this flip-flop of the law.

It's not the first time the government have flip flopped on laws.  About 20 years ago they banned the export of more than 3 bottles of wine per person.  Stupid.

I don't think every previously opened Sunday business will rapidly re-organise themselves to fully open again. There's an election coming up and they could easily re-invoke it.  The costs of hiring staff and laying them off again is rather high.  I expect all the large retailers can absorb the cost.

But great news all the same.

Obviously if there had been a referendum it would have turned into a vote about the government itself.  This way they avoid the risk of confrontation over that issue.

I read about it here: Government Revokes Sunday Closing Law

I for one don't mind the shops reopening on Sundays.
I could go either way, all good but it is sort of nice to see the city lively on Sunday's with shops open and people being able to stock up on their days off from Mon. thru Fri. jobs.
Not everyone has a family to hang with on Sundays over a roast dinner and being able to shop on Sunday's is very helpful those those people.
If I could have a say in it, I would as a shop owner try to be fair and only have my employees work Sunday's once a month or so, give everyone a change to have that day off if it was important to them.
Or perhaps pay a bit more for Sunday workers.
I used to work in Vegas casino's and it didn't matter if you had day shift or night shift, we all got paid equally and we all split tips over a 24 hour period.
Some people love working days and some nights, some don't mind Sundays and some do.
Have to make it fair for everyone but then again life is rarely fair...

I am delighted the shops are open on Sunday.  And I hope that they continue to pay extra to people who work on Sunday - Hungarians need those jobs.

As for me, as a grandma living here alone, with no Hungarian family support system to help with all the shopping, I have a different reason for wanting the shops open.  I have health problems and the idea of dashing about Saturday morning trying to buy everything is not realistic.  Many of my friends have mothers who are older and live in small rural villages -- it is much easy when you are frail to shop a little each day rather than exhaust yourself trying to do it for everything. 

As someone outside of BP, I usually had to make a decision - shop for groceries or go into BP and try to find the other things that I can't easily find in a small town.  Either way, it takes time and effort.   

I hope that others realize some of us can't work full time, clean house, do errands and shop all in the same short period.  I will continue to support the small business owners here.  Good luck to all!

missustoad :

I am delighted the shops are open on Sunday.  And I hope that they continue to pay extra to people who work on Sunday - Hungarians need those jobs.

I'm told Tesco pay 2 x the normal rate for Sunday working.

I had no idea that shops already had been paying more for workers on Sundays.
My friend told me this past Sunday that they were not open as planned, maybe this coming Sunday?
I understand for many people it is good to be able to buy small amounts often, not everyone has a car to load up with groceries.
I think many people would love to work on Sunday's if they really get paid double.

It will take time to re open because of staffing issues. I will be pleased when the bigger DIY type places are open again because I often need things to use on Monday morning.

Marilyn Tassy :

I had no idea that shops already had been paying more for workers on Sundays.
My friend told me this past Sunday that they were not open as planned, maybe this coming Sunday?
I understand for many people it is good to be able to buy small amounts often, not everyone has a car to load up with groceries.
I think many people would love to work on Sunday's if they really get paid double.

Tesco was open on Sunday at least in some places according to Mrs Fluffy.

Apparently they do get paid double time and it's not particularly unusual. 

Presumably though they had to ask for volunteers as they would have had to scrap their work rosters from when this misguided law was brought in. And it'd take time to gear back up.

missustoad :

And I hope that they continue to pay extra to people who work on Sunday - Hungarians need those jobs.

Well, yes and no.

When the current government banned Sunday shopping, they also lowered the mandatory Sunday overtime pay from 100% to 50% in a different law. Which then only affected small shops and their workers (which were the only shops allowed to be open on Sunday).

When the government rescinded the Sunday shopping ban, they did not raise the Sunday overtime back to 100%. So the Hungarian workers now working on Sunday need not be paid as well as they were before this entire fiasco started. So the workers seem to have ended up as the biggest losers at this point in time.

Of course any store "can" pay their Sunday workers the old 100% rate on Sunday, but I doubt many, if any, larger multinational corporations will do more than the law requires.

How sad about the law not making Sunday workers get paid double time.
I believe from speaking to my husband that even in commie times Sunday workers if there were many about, always got double time pay.
I notice in the US some states are pushing for a $15. min. hourly wage,not sure that is the solution as usually if wages go up then prices do as well.
Profit before people, same game just about everywhere.

klsallee :

When the current government banned Sunday shopping, ......100% to 50% in a different law. Which then only affected small shops and their workers (which were the only shops allowed to be open on Sunday).....when the government rescinded the Sunday shopping ban, they did not raise the Sunday overtime back to 100%. So the Hungarian workers now working on Sunday need not be paid as well as they were before this entire fiasco started. So the workers seem to have ended up as the biggest losers at this point in time. ....

That's just demented.  I am going to ask Mrs Fluffy to investigate that.  As usual here, everyone has half the story.

fluffy2560 :

investigate that.

My wife is interested in politics and listens to the public Parliamentary debates where this was discussed. See a brief summary at:

http://index.hu/gazdasag/2016/04/12/vasarnapi_boltzar/

Under: "Ugrik a százszázalékos bérpótlék" (yes, only in Hungarian and Google Translate does not really do a very good job making it clear -- so someone who reads Hungarian should translate it).

fluffy2560 :

As usual here, everyone has half the story.

Combination of language barriers by expats, and many radio, TV and newspapers in the hands of pro-government oligarchs which means the "news" is not necessarily independent. And the few existing English speaking news sources are not very complete in covering all news. Information is there, but one must dig for it.

klsallee :

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Combination of language barriers by expats, and many radio, TV and newspapers in the hands of pro-government oligarchs which means the "news" is not necessarily independent. And the few existing English speaking news sources are not very complete in covering all news. Information is there, but one must dig for it.

Digging is the biggest problem.  Reminds me of the 9/11 media/adviser scandal over "...a good day to bury bad news" in the UK (see here: Bad News)

I think "not necessarily independent" is somewhat of an understatement, re: media law in HU.

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