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@colinoscapee
Thanks! I'll check it out!

The Thailand option was something that we also considered, but my g/f wanted to do it the Vietnamese way so it took three months in all.

eodmatt I am told by Thai legal firms that marriage of non-resident Vietnamese in Thailand is no longer possible. If anyone has information to the contrary, I would like to hear it. This is bad news indeed.

VanRoss :

eodmatt I am told by Thai legal firms that marriage of non-resident Vietnamese in Thailand is no longer possible. If anyone has information to the contrary, I would like to hear it. This is bad news indeed.

That just doesn't sound right, why Vietnamese, it would have to apply everyone and not just Vietnamese. Did you actually get this in writing I would be interested in seeing it as I have sent a few friends there to be married.

@colinoscapee I got this in email correspondences from three law firms in Bangkok, including Siam International, which had previously offered the most specific program for assisting marriages. They had even offered me a quote before backtracking. Two other firms said basically the same thing. They say the Vietnamese government is cracking down on "human trafficking" and the embassy will no longer issue paperwork generally. There may be exceptions made depending on the judgement of the Vietnamese embassy staff.

By the way, some of the requirements for Vietnam might have changed a bit too - as they always are, no doubt.

Ok, so it's more about dodgy couples. I think its still fine if its an expat residing in Viet Nam who has travelled there to do the certificate and can show they are returning back to VN. Doing your certificate in a week in Thailand is much better than dealing with the mindless twats that issue them here in VN

@colinoscapee I wish the situation were different as negotiating the Vietnamese system really depresses me. But this comes from several law firms specializing in this in Thailand. You know if they could make a buck helping me, they would. I take it this is reliable information since they were going to charge me a grand for the expedited process.

Why go through an over priced law firm, contact one of the many marriage firms that specialise in foreigner weddings in Thailand.

Im just wondering, you're in Japan, so why would you be looking into marriage to a VN national.

@colinoscapee I contacted them too. I talked to several people. It doesn't matter now as this is the answer I got. I got this from one of the services to which you refer as well.

colinoscapee :

Im just wondering, you're in Japan, so why would you be looking into marriage to a VN national.

There can only be one answer! :)

Ok, it's a VN government decision, the Thai government will still let you marry if you get the required paperwork off the embassy. This was from Siam Legal.

VanRoss :
colinoscapee :

Im just wondering, you're in Japan, so why would you be looking into marriage to a VN national.

There can only be one answer! :)

Ok, good luck with that.

right. yes. Thailand is OK. But the Vietnamese government got involved here. There may be some human trafficking issue. But I also wonder if one corrupt government usurping another's right to create graft and bureaucracy could be the issue :)

As with many laws constructed by the VN governemnt, it may be made null and void in the future as so many before it.

VanRoss :

eodmatt I am told by Thai legal firms that marriage of non-resident Vietnamese in Thailand is no longer possible. If anyone has information to the contrary, I would like to hear it. This is bad news indeed.

Sorry, I have no idea. We considered getting married in Thailand a couple of years ago, but decided that, although the Vietnam process is bureaucratic and time consuming, it carries at least the perception of more legitimacy, with the authorities here.

Sorry I can't help, mate.

@eodmatt Thanks. I'm in touch with a lawyer in HCMC these days. Just a little help negotiating the process! Thailand was a dream of simplicity. But my GF is happier anyway with the idea of doing it in Vietnam. Yes, at least in Vietnam the legitimacy is beyond question for them.

VanRoss :

By the way, some of the requirements for Vietnam might have changed a bit too - as they always are, no doubt.

I suggest, you just ask your GF to go to her district's/commune's People's Committee (Ủy ban nhân dân) and get the list of documents required for Marriage Application.

For example, if she is a resident of Dist 10 in HCMC, she should go to Dist 10 People's Committee.

Things have been simplified a bit and with luck, you may not need that Vital Statistics etc. any more.

* At the moment Dist, level Admin Office is where you submit your Application and they are the ones who will issue your Marriage Certificate. 

* Also, there's no interview any more.
If your documents are in order, you have to wait for 20 - 25 days (max) before getting your MC.

I got married recently, and much to our surprise the entire process was almost effortless and was always on time. Honestly, I didn't expect that. May be we were lucky!

I am not aware of document requirements for a US citizen.
All I had to submit were ....
- an Affidavit of Single Status (duly processed),
- a Mental Health Report (done in HCM)
-  copies of used PP pages and datapages.
- One/two photos

They DIDN'T even ask for a copy of blue book (proof of residence registration) since I was on a Tourist visa. I still can't believe it!

There was a young Australian-VN couple who were also invited to receive their MC on the same day. I saw a "Certification of Non-Impediment to Marriage." issued by the Australian consulate lying on the officer's desk. So yes, may be that was still a requirement for them.

Although simplified, I wonder whether they are now doing it on a case by case basis.

There you are, you see!
Since we all know that VN keeps changing its laws and requirements every now and then, I think it's better you try to get the latest update on exact requirements from ground zero (dist. level people's committee). Your GF will surely help you on that.

Hope you find these information helpful. Good luck!

@senwl
Very helpful. Yes. I've found recently that it is a bit simpler and the vital statistics isn't always needed. I'll probably pay a lawyer for help, as silly as that may sound to some. It's piece of mind. And, I am in and out of Vietnam so I cannot focus on it easily myself and my GF works. It's not as complicated as I thought, though. Your information is helpful. I was disappointed about Thailand. But, in the end, it's not really more complicated to just do it in VN - depending on how you look at it. Thanks!

@VanRoss

Rest assured, it's not that complicated.... but be warned, some lawyers may try to make it look more complicated to extort money from you.
Besides, some lawyers are not up to date about these subtle and frequent changes in VN rules and regulations.
It's always good to know the latest rules and the process.
All the best!

It all comes down to the person you deal with at each UBND. A friend of mine had to do a medical check at Bà Rịa hospital, it took two days to do due to the staff working only a few hours each morning.

It sounds like it's getting easier in the larger cities, but the country folk are still years behind when it comes to law changes.

Not to belittle others but this is the best advice I have seen on this thread, particularly for those who are already in Vietnam. 

senwl :

I suggest, you just ask your GF to go to her district's/commune's People's Committee (Ủy ban nhân dân) and get the list of documents required for Marriage Application.

For example, if she is a resident of Dist 10 in HCMC, she should go to Dist 10 People's Committee.

If you are still in your home country, you might have your prospective spouse check on what is really needed as some documents might be harder to obtain once you are in Vietnam.   

I brought the full listing of documents described by the VN Embassy in the US and the interviewer said that we didn't need half of them and this was in a rural province.   Also we were not married at the UBND but at the office of the Dept. of Justice in Ben Tre.  I don't know if this is a unique situation or not but the advice holds.  Check at the place you will be getting married and forget about national requirements.

A friend of mine who is Australian and now married to a local man, was asked to do a vaginal check, she asked what the hell does that have to do with getting a marriage health check.

Hello, have been reading this with great interest. My VN wife and I got married in Hawaii a few years ago. For business reasons, we now contemplate to legalize our US marriage here in VN as well. Can anyone explain what the necessary steps will be to get this done and where to file ? We have the original US marriage certificate that was issued by the Dept of Health in Hawaii. Is a special certified/legalized copy required for this?

Thanks guys

I would get your wife to go to the area UBND and ask there, it should be a case of translation of your existing certificate plus documents for identification.

Thanks colinoscapee

I got married 6 years ago in Bac Lieu and it was a nightmare. The Marriage department extorted several thousand US dollars to approve the marriage and screwed we us the whole time. I have not forgotten who they are.

@kooler42 I'm really sorry to hear that.

Kooler42 :

I got married 6 years ago in Bac Lieu and it was a nightmare. The Marriage department extorted several thousand US dollars to approve the marriage and screwed we us the whole time. I have not forgotten who they are.

Why didn't your wife stand up to them, she would of know it was illegal.

colinoscapee :
Kooler42 :

I got married 6 years ago in Bac Lieu and it was a nightmare. The Marriage department extorted several thousand US dollars to approve the marriage and screwed we us the whole time. I have not forgotten who they are.

Why didn't your wife stand up to them, she would of know it was illegal.

You took the words right out of my mind! I hate to say this but, it isn't unknown for the wife to have an interest in such matters .....

eodmatt :
colinoscapee :
Kooler42 :

I got married 6 years ago in Bac Lieu and it was a nightmare. The Marriage department extorted several thousand US dollars to approve the marriage and screwed we us the whole time. I have not forgotten who they are.

Why didn't your wife stand up to them, she would of know it was illegal.

You took the words right out of my mind! I hate to say this but, it isn't unknown for the wife to have an interest in such matters .....

That was the first thing that went through my mind as well.

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