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Teaching English in Danang

I will be doing a TEFL course in HCM in October and was thinking of teaching in Danang afterwards. Could anyone tell me if English teaching jobs are plentiful there e.g in secondary schools - state or private, I have two degrees as well.
Many thanks
Liz

Hello Lizzie,
If you have a degree about teaching English, I think you may apply for the job in the center of English or Singapore Internation School. There are so much centers open in Da Nang. So you are easy to look for the work you would love to do  :proud

To answer your question:
There is always work to be had in DaNang - always people advertising.

BUT, not much advertising and a lot of people chasing the work, hence supply&demand - plentiful supply = lowish pay.
I enquired of the international schools - not a hope in hell unless you know someone (but hell has been known to freeze over).  Everyone wants to teach in DaNang and that includes proper teachers as opposed to four week trained pretend teachers.

The usual advice is to put in the hard graft in Hanoi (or possibly Saigon) and then with that experience behind one then applying for jobs in other areas becomes easier.

But of course one might be lucky - but it is hard work finding work, especially if you are wanting full-time monday to friday daytime.

I am a proper teacher (of mathematics!) and have been investigating English Language Schools.
If you want to work for the 3 largest schools they tend to give preference to those who have received their own in-house training.  If your EFL certificate does not include a supervised teaching element (6 hours plus) then it is hardly worth the paper it is printed on.  The vast majority of jobs re part-time and again, if you need the hours, you'll have to work for more than one Language Centre.  Pay rates upwards of $12.  So for an evening's teaching let us say 2 hour teaching plus prep time.  3 hours work for £24.  plus travel etc etc.  Others might be more charitable.

If there are others are others who encourage you then ask them what experience/understanding they have in the real world.  Are they guessing, do they have an agenda or are they knowledgeable?

In Danang now, there are may international schools and english center so they need a lot of foreigners teachers who are native speakers, you can find it is easy to be an english teacher here, good luck:)

Try ESL101, Jobs77.com, Craigslist, etc. always advertising, especially for the start of the new school year. AMA go through a lot of staff,

Hi LIzzie, do you mind sharing with what company you are taking your certification course in HCM.  I am looking into this as well vs. Thailand.

If you are trying to choose between Vietnam and Thailand , I would go for Vietnam , better pay , no particular worrying political wranglings etc .  Thailand is becoming a powder keg which may well be an ugly explosion in the near future, when maybe the inevitable happens, (of which I am currently not allowed to speak, get my drift). 
Add to this a total lack of respect for teachers in Gov't schools not just from the kids but fellow Thai teachers too, and you would soon realise that Vietnam would have been the better option.

I wish to say thanks 10x.  I am definitely already leaning VN but Thailand seems to be more organized YET also there seems to be a bit of a ripeness for teaching in Thailand meaning has hits its peak and is now beginning to rot a little.  I mean no disrespect for the country or its peeps.   I read lots of stuff recently posted and VN seems to still be wide open for work and visas.   I don't have ESL cert yet and I already have one informal offer to teach in the interior w/  encouragement to complete certification in near future.  I should like to point out that this school is having harder time getting peeps to work in the interior and I have an extensive business career and a college degree.  I am not suggesting the VN schools are hiring just anybody. 

As for for the disrespect thing, I sort of already expect some of that to happen since it's obvious English teachers are making more pay than the locals often.  I have worked for many years as a high tech whore and on short term contracts from 6-18 months long.  The employees of the company quite often are hostile because on per hour basis I made lot more money than their salaried equivalent and they never remember that I can take no sick leave, no paid days off, no benefits of any kind, no pension, no health care copay, can be laid off in a single day w/o cause and my average length of unemployment between contracts was 4 months since I always held out for the best paying gigs.  So I get it, been there.

Daiwill :

If you are trying to choose between Vietnam and Thailand , I would go for Vietnam , better pay , no particular worrying political wranglings etc .  Thailand is becoming a powder keg which may well be an ugly explosion in the near future, when maybe the inevitable happens, (of which I am currently not allowed to speak, get my drift). 
Add to this a total lack of respect for teachers in Gov't schools not just from the kids but fellow Thai teachers too, and you would soon realise that Vietnam would have been the better option.

Tell me, have you found Vietnamese schools obsessing with grammar?

Thailand is more open for conversation? And the lesson plans - where are they stricter? I saw Kindergarten teachers write long lesson plans in VN!

Beware of time wasters. There was a center outside Da Nang. They tried to recruit me for months, then backed out the last second. Guess they did not want to amend their contract?

Some centers are shoestring operations. You better go there in person, not let someone hire you with a Skype interview. Unless you like drama and are okay with not getting paid.

hs0zfe :

Beware of time wasters. There was a center outside Da Nang. They tried to recruit me for months, then backed out the last second. Guess they did not want to amend their contract?

Some centers are shoestring operations. You better go there in person, not let someone hire you with a Skype interview. Unless you like drama and are okay with not getting paid.

Same in Quang Ngai, TWICE, the first time, they must have realised at the last minute that they didn't have enough students, YET, ( feasibility studies are a rarity with VN's ).
  2nd time, I wasted hours working on a special pronunciation lesson plan, ( which I never gave them ),  then they played me along for 4 - 5 weeks, then at the date they said I was to start, they tried to tell me they couldn't employ me for another 2 months until my current work permit expired, I had my doubts about this school from the start though, they said they had about 400 students, but the only charged 300,000 VND per student, per month, and just finished building a new 4 level building, fully equipped with new desks, TV screens, a/con , etc?????
And we never did get around to finalising a salary.
But I did the unexpected, and caught them out lying, I went into the Labour office, and was told it was no problem changing my work permit. ( who you know, not what you know in VN ). Of course the school never replied to my last sms.

Some centers are stuck in "recruitment mode". It's a professional courtesy to i. be upfront and honest when they don't want to pay $ 1,000 and put the hours in writing.

It might help jobseekers to share some experiences:

You got to check them out!! One center was going broke. Nice large building, but then only 6 or 7 classes. The previous foreigner, she likely made up some family emergency and disappeared. Days with no classes? Mmm. How will I be making even $ 600 that way?! Their solution? Paying no one. Vietnamese assistants were lured with promises to work for free. (Other centers demand 5 M to get a job. Once a young woman was hired who could not answer a simple question repeated slowly 8 times. Yes, she had studied English... They hired her and put her in one of my classes, as a "student").

Another center promised $ 1,000. Upon arrival, there was a tiny new house on a dirt road. The classroom was the living room cum kitchen. Than a few kids showed up. ** The manager turned out to be the owner. He faked technical problems to avoid speaking during the Skype interview. He handed me a $ 1,000 contract but wanted me to pay a deposit of, I forgot, 10 M? Turnover was less than my salary. And there was  t a l k and he took me to a school etc. Without basic English, this lecturer at a university taught himself. ** One lesson was vocab the good teens all knew. He would mis-pronounce words and not let me do something more appropriate and fun. You cannot make this up!

Once I was given a contract requiring a $ 300 payment for ending it early. Off the internet, from some Chinese school. After 2 weeks, I was too expensive? Never got paid! But they had Vietnamese teachers for their German classes and I suspect that was a marketing gimmick. Taking photos and all. Bait and switch for the customers. And grammar all the time  :huh:


TVs? Oh yeah! Only that the center had no notebooks. My old Thinkpad had no HDMI... Loudspeakers (a $ 50 problem) were scarce. Teachers would go to other classrooms, borrow them for a few minutes etc.

Some owners just decided to buy a language center. "Popo Doo" books, horrible but cheap? Or they would sell an IELTS class to rich beginners who cannot even ask the time. Bizarre.

I think there could be a book written about Foreigners and Asian English schools.

One woman I worked for paid me a different amount every month, when I queried it, the usual excuse was that some parents didn't pay her, I explained to her a few times, that's not how it works. ( with Foreigners ).

One school played me along about a position in their new school, I was invited up onto the stage at their fancy opening for their advertising photo shoot, and then to lunch after it, where they told me they would call to get me to come in and finalise my contract the next week, but I never heard from them.

Another school had me relieving for a Filipino " teacher " while she went on holiday, originally it was for 30 hrs a week, but because my Work Permit was with another school, the owner said that I'd better work inconspicuously, ( I would have called it illegally ), and only work only the weekends , but she had hired another VN to do the other hours, after a few weeks she was talking about me staying and teaching her VN teachers when the Filipino returned, and when this other teacher was fired soon, she would give me his job, she even thanked me for helping and welcomed me to her school at the dinner when my relief finished, BUT the very next day, after working out how much TAX I had to pay on my illegal earnings??, she tells me she will give me a call in 2 months, and see if I'm still available???? lol.

Craigslist 26 Oct 2015

EIV will not pay you! 
http://vietnam.craigslist.org/edu/5282508306.html

And this one,
http://vietnam.craigslist.org/edu/5284178869.html

Hi Liz,
Do you teach at your house?
I am finding a English class but I don't want to join a E centers ( :( ), just a group with 3-5 members.
Please let me know if you can teach me.
Thank you!

This forum makes Da Nang look like a nightmare for a serious experienced teacher. Is it really that bad?

I am finding a private tutor. If you have any thought about that,contact me.thank you^^

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