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How risky is Migrating to Australia without a job?

Hi Guys,

This is my first post on a public forum so please forgive any furtive questions. I am information security professional with about 6 yrs of experience (most of it in the financial sector with banks/stock exchanges). I would like to think that I am reasonably qualified on the educational front as well ( I hold an engineering degree and quite a few certifications).

I have recently acquired my Australian PR and the started the next logical step of finding a job.

Here is when the fun started....none of the companies I sent an email to replied  :(

I checked the different blogs (including Expat.com) and realized that I have quite a few comrades in arms who have been through a similar experience. But I am still gonna go ahead and ask the age old question:

To move or Not to Move?? :) Is it better to look for a job after relocating to Australia, or should I follow the old saying that A bird in Hand is worth Two in the Bush and stick to my job in my home country before I land a job down under??

Is it a risk that is inevitable and will HAVE to be taken?

I am really not sure which way I should be going....Any suggestions would be really helpful.

To get a job it would be much better to be here. 
But having said that there is no guarantee that you will find a job either. Unemployment is rising here now. I have been out of work now for 8 months. Try this site for jobs www.seek.com.au

Cost of living is high. For cost of living www.numbeo.com 

So if you did come over you would have to make sure you had enough money to survive on for at least a year until you can get a work.You would have to cover yourself for rent, food, transport, electricity, gas, phone etc.  You would need medical insurance cover too. 

Sorry to sound negative but that is the reality.

Me too having a same question. i am not getting Job there. I am waiting till I get theJob. :(

@Stumpy : Wow...I wasn't aware its that tough out there as well (8 Months is a long time). I have checked out the cost of living indexes for Melbourne and Sydney already and they seem to be pretty steep.

I checked the SEEK site and a few others as well, they have the kinda openings that I am targeting, but most of the employers came back to me with a negative response (I suspect that me not being in Australia is the cause). I have tried looking for jobs in my home country and have interview requests for most of the jobs I applied for......the only reason I am skeptical about going to Australia and looking for a job is because of the risk of having to leave my existing job without having another one in hand.

I was hoping maybe the specialized sectors (like information security, in my case) would offer a warmer scenario.

Still in catch 22 situation mate...!!! lets see how this one pan's out.....

Any more advice would be most welcome. :)

@RajivJain: Hey Rajiv, mind telling us how long you have been waiting since you got the PR?? have you already made the customary visit to Australia?? Also, whats your work area (HR, Finance, IT.....)?? Maybe you can get lucky..... :)

@aashihp

It is tough alright. You are right in that companies will need to see you face to face before employing you. Cost of living is high in cities but that is probably where your type of work is, so again a catch 22. 

Have you thought of contacting the Indian clubs or communities over here for information and advice. They may assist you in finding cheaper accommodation or help with finding work.

@Stumpy : Well, I haven't really tried getting in touch with Indian expat community (contemplating doing that as yet).  There is this one thing though.....The company I am currently employed with has an Office in Sydney, so I was thinking of asking them to relocate me to Sydney while I continue to hold my existing job. This would mean that I would still be in my current job, only that I would operate out of the Sydney office instead of Mumbai.

Have you heard or come across someone who has tried this route?? I am really not aware of the dynamics involved here (as in the legal documentation, any salary rationalizations that the company will have to do in order to comply with Australia laws....things like that). It would be helpful if I can get insight on that front.

On a different note, I was going through the unemployment figures for Oct-2014 released by the Australian government and its starting to look really worrisome. I mean, 6.4% for a countrywide populace of 23 Million (roughly the population of my city) is really appalling. That's like one out of every  fifteen guys unemployed (scary, if you ask me).

Thanks for the advice provided till now :) Really Appreciate that.

Regarding the possibility of a transfer that is worth a try. The company would have to arrange paperwork etc but it can be done.

The Govt figures are suspect. To keep the numbers down, anyone who works for 1 (yes one) hour in the month is deemed to have been employed for that month. There are double digit unemployment in some places.  Youth unemployment in particular is high.

@Stumpy : 1 Hr !!! are you serious ???? I really need to get in touch with some Indian Expats right away !! :)

on the risk of sounding clingy......are you aware of any Indian communities ??  :gloria

I suggest you Google 'indian clubs and communities in Australia' and see what comes up Plenty there to choose from.
Or just search for this in whatever any of the states.  Try www.indiaclub.com.au

Australia is a harsh country... again..

1) Looking for a job in Australia without a local work history places you at the end of every long job seeker queue - locals are first unless very specialised positions, or just cheap labour imports, that can't be filled with a local.

2) Multinational companies I know usually don't like transferring employees (from civilised countries) to Australia - why? too many want to pack up an leave this country within 3 years. 

3) Many job offers on the internet here are fake - it's a common (business) bragging culture in Australia where real jobs (well paid) are very few/limited.

Just to be on the safe side always have a backdoor open to return home

@ 2Curlews :  Thanks a lot for the advice. I am from the Information Security sector ( which I would like to think is a pretty specialized area of work  :) )

I have seen quite a lot of job postings on the aussie job portals which pertain to my line of work. But I was not able to successfully land an interview with any of them. A few of the employers also came back to me stating that they would not be able to consider my resume unless I have relocated to Australia.

SO, all in all....it looks like I have to take the risk to go to Australia and look for a job locally. I am confident that I can get a job once I arrive in Australia, but I am finding it a little hard to take that decision, since both me and my wife have pretty nice jobs out here.

It would make sense to have a backup plan in place as you rightly said.

Working in Australia can be tough?...Arriving in Australia on a Tourist Visa, it will be required that you have enough money to support yourself for the time of your intended stay.  There are special arrangement for under 28 or 30 year old people where you can travel and work for up to to 2 years.  Much of the work you can get must be on rural or farming places fruit picking, milking cows, etc. etc..  Lots of young people travel around doing this and you only have to work some of the time.  If you are over the youth visa age you would need to have very special skills to get a 457 visa to which you would only get if you're in an industry which is in short supply of applicants in Australia. You would have to have a sponsor who would need to be able to prove they exhausted all efforts to find an Australian to fill the position.  In Australia we would have 50 million people from other countries wanting to live here if they could.  Very few are successful...sorry.  (look for Australian 457 visas web site information, there are lots)

If you were in an industry that was short on applicants perhaps you could come on a tourist visa with some money to show immigration you can support yourself during your stay.  Research for potential employers on your trip, or online and see if they will sponsor you for a 457 visa which is limited to a few years but can be extended (mostly) which can lead to permanent residency or even citizenship (quite common).  It is rather tough to get permanent residence in Australia if you just want to make the change from your country to ours (Aus)...sorry.

Just adding to my previous posts  Working in Australia can be tough how to get a 457 Visa.
https://www.austhealth.com/457-visa-req … G8QAvD_BwE

or   youth holiday visa in Australia   http://www.visabureau.com/australia/wor … -visa.aspx

I have a son in law who owns a wheat farm in Australia.  He employed a young Irish man on his farm for 3 months under the youth holiday visa plan to extend his visa, he is still there, never left  .  The young mam wanted to stay in Australia he clearly had farm experience he was raised on a farm in Ireland.  My son-in-law asked him to stay on for the rest of 2 year period, "best thing I ever did" he says.  Then got him a 457 visa, permanent residency and now finally citizenship, all in 5 years.  It was his farm workers skills that did the trick.  The young bloke is now married  (yes to a girl) to an Aussie with kids and happy as a pig in mud.  He only wants to live in the country, he even plays Aussie Rules Football with the local footy club, what next?...Gaelic Football is not much different to Aussie Rules...all happy.

aashishp :

Hi Guys,

This is my first post on a public forum so please forgive any furtive questions. I am information security professional with about 6 yrs of experience (most of it in the financial sector with banks/stock exchanges). I would like to think that I am reasonably qualified on the educational front as well ( I hold an engineering degree and quite a few certifications).

I have recently acquired my Australian PR and the started the next logical step of finding a job.

Here is when the fun started....none of the companies I sent an email to replied  :(

I checked the different blogs (including Expat.com) and realized that I have quite a few comrades in arms who have been through a similar experience. But I am still gonna go ahead and ask the age old question:

To move or Not to Move?? :) Is it better to look for a job after relocating to Australia, or should I follow the old saying that A bird in Hand is worth Two in the Bush and stick to my job in my home country before I land a job down under??

Is it a risk that is inevitable and will HAVE to be taken?

I am really not sure which way I should be going....Any suggestions would be really helpful.

There are so many people moving to Australia (as encouraged by the Australian Government and large industries to keep the wages low) it is very hard to get a job in Australia.

There is not a lot of manufacturing industries in Australia and as such not so many jobs.  There are so many people in a country that does not have manufacturing that there are many people looking for jobs.  The unemployment rate is 5% and rising every day.  Eventfully the wages and standard of living will drop to the standard of South East Asian countries and only then the manufacturing industries will come back, along with jobs at $2 AUD an hour.

Well it is the best country in the World so where does that leave the other 200 + countries?

DavoWaldo :

Well it is the best country in the World so where does that leave the other 200 + countries?

It is/was, but it is changing fast, and not in a good way.  Compared to before the health and education system is getting worse (or you must pay) than before.  Give it another 10 years and you will see that Australia will become just another county in Asia.

Over the last 15 years Australia has lost so many jobs as manufacturing has closed and moved to SEA.  The mining boom is fast on the way out, and now wage in the mining industry are just the same as in the cities.

When the mining finishes Australia well lose lots of jobs.  The only reason there was a boom in the mining industry is that every one was building mines, the construction of the mines has finished there are not the jobs in construction in the mining industry and the mines want to have as few workers as possible to save themselves the cost of the wages, so automation kicks in, no people required (driverless truck and trains), and with less need for workers the wages go done.

As for the manufacturing Australia is further away from China, America and Europe than SEA and India, and the wages are higher, so the companies don't want to manufacture in Australia (just to expensive)

In the end it is just simple economics.  Less jobs, lower wages, then who will pay for the hospitals, the schools and the roads and the social security.  You don't get a pension there until you are 67 years old.

Hi Guys,

I am looking forward for you guys kind suggestions here..!!

I have been working for an US based org from Singapore location for last 4 years (with total 7+ years experience in IT security field, with an engineering degree in computers)

Now the fact that I'm looking to move to Australia to see the longer term benefits
My Employer is ready to pay me equivalent salary and even ready to bear the service charges if any Australian based employer/agency can sponsor Visa for me TSS (MLTSSL)

So this is my condition now,  I've a potential job opportunity in Australia but need some employer/agency to sponsor visa for me.

I need you guys feedback/advice if this is feasible or not.
Or please suggest if there's any other work around.

Thanks in advance.

user80 :

Hi Guys,

I am looking forward for you guys kind suggestions here..!!

I have been working for an US based org from Singapore location for last 4 years (with total 7+ years experience in IT security field, with an engineering degree in computers)

Now the fact that I'm looking to move to Australia to see the longer term benefits
My Employer is ready to pay me equivalent salary and even ready to bear the service charges if any Australian based employer/agency can sponsor Visa for me TSS (MLTSSL)

So this is my condition now,  I've a potential job opportunity in Australia but need some employer/agency to sponsor visa for me.

I need you guys feedback/advice if this is feasible or not.
Or please suggest if there's any other work around.

Thanks in advance.

If you are 28 y/o you should be able to come to Australia under the youth holiday work scheme and work for up to 2 years, 3 months would have to be done on a farm.  After you turn 30 y/o things change...more information would be needed.

If you read this link and read my post above things may be clearer for you.
http://www.visabureau.com/australia/wor … -visa.aspx

Thanks for your response,
I think that won't suite me as I'm 32+ married

try also http://mining-mill.com. as australia is famous with their mining industry. i think that site will work for you.

dont risk you and your family moving out to new place without any job.

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