Transplanting to VN from AUS - English teaching - Starry starry eye'd

This is both an introduce myself post and an enquiry post.

I have been "loitering"  - I understand is the expression - on this site for a while and have finally joined up.

I am considering transplanting to Vietnam from Australia. My brother is retired and lives in HCM with his family. A recent holiday there was my inspiration to consider re-locating. I loved the place and the people. I don't want to retire even if I could. It seemed obvious to me in my travels there that there was a desperate need for English speaking skills in a country with a rapidly growing tourist-based revenue stream. Perhaps somewhat starry eye'd for a 65 year old, I thought I could - now don't laugh - teach for a fee in HCM and teach for free in a regional area for part of the year (the paid work effectively subsidising the free work). Yes okay you can all laugh now!!.

I am a Barrister by occupation - a trial Counsel in U.S. parlance - with black gown and horse-hair wig like the English crime dramas for the full image! I have been a Barrister for over 24 years; a lawyer for 30. I am a crime specialist; almost exclusively as prosecutor. I therefore have a 4 year law degree. I am also a qualified advocacy teacher although that is not a 'teaching qualification' from a university, merely in-house training which entitles me to train other lawyers.

I have done some research on minimum standards to teach; TESOL being the obvious one. There are many such courses here in Melbourne with good levels of contact hours. I think I have a grasp of the requirements. My english skills are good. My questions are perhaps more fundamental to my considered "transplantation".

First. Is it realistic to consider that a 65 year old new TESOL teacher would be employable for salary in HCM or, indeed, elsewhere in VN, even if he could otherwise get unpaid volunteer work in a regional area?

Second. Would it be more realistic to consider some form of private tutoring in lieu of classroom teaching; building up a student base over time? Obvious areas which come to mind are in reading and conversational English. I also note the range of specialty english language tests imposed on students for entry to various tertiary courses. I imagine there may be opportunities for specialty tutoring in those fields.

Third. I note many comments by contributors regarding the english skills, or lack thereof, at University level teaching. Have you any insights you could share into the availability of lecturing or tutoring work in the universities, or advanced colleges, for a western-trained lawyer? Comparative law? Western legal history? Comparative Constitutional law? Law enforcement training?

I hope you can share some thoughts with me even if they are not encouraging. I am a big boy and while my ideas of transplanting to VN are exciting - for me at least - I am very willing to hear the truth about such a plan.

On a personal level I am also a father of three (adult children) married to a teacher (the same one for 36 years) musician (piano), photographer, bush-walker, film collector and most recently re-trained on a motorcycle. I thought I would throw those items in lest you think of me as only some stodgy old lawyer.

thanks in advance
Last edited by damianellwood (Today 16:57:44)

TESOL is needed. Although most schools that are the "cream of the crop" prefer ages 25-50, as long as you have good "people skills" and are able to engage your students with practical application, don't let your age stop you. I am pushing 62 in May, and get offers frequently. Private tutoring is my preference and if you get out and about, you may be pleasantly surprised how many offers from individuals you might receive. In due course you might want to do some networking for consideration of your other credentials/experience and see what doors of opportunity might open for you. LinkedIn is a good start if you are not yet familiar with them (networking). There is a myriad of opportunities here and people with valuable life skills are desirable in a nation that is ever changing. Take your time, do your homework and if need be, develop the opportunity you want to meet the needs of a resilient, creative and resourceful people. BTW, count yourself one of the few fortunate ones to have already, family here to assist you in navigating the culture. Starry-eyed people often achieve their heart's desire. Welcome aboard.

Thanks vnescape for your thoughts and for the encouragement they contained.  I'll get moving on the LinkedIn route for starters.

Hello Damian,

My name is Mike (Dr. G.) I am Australian and living and teaching English (and educator) here in Saigon for the past 4 years. I am also an academic manager at a language group here in Saigon. I will help you with most of your questions and concerns if you choose to continue communication with me.

Mike Groner

Hello Mike,

Thank you for your kind offer. Should I do so within the forum or  by direct email? Which would you prefer? I note you too are on LinkedIn so I will send a connect request to you.

regards

Damian

Hi again Damian,

If you like, you can communicate with me at [email protected] or on Skype at michaelgroner or my phone # in Saigon is +84 932151412. Yes, I am on Linkedin but rarely there and while at work now do not know my password. So for now previous options are better. Thanks.

Mike

Good luck with your plans.  I've been here 38 months, from the USA.  I had planned to retire but found the idleness corrosive and now do software freelancing.

I'd encourage looking at other places aside from Saigon.  Yes most expats seem to live there but it's more expensive, crowded as hell and very polluted.  It takes an hour to get anywhere, and the whole city reeks of tobacco smoke, even far from anyone.

Yes there's more to do but at our age (I'll be 60 in March) peace and quiet are more desirable than any loud, smoky, boozy night life.

I heard Nha Trang is a good place to retire (if you dont mind many Russian tourists). Living by the beach, nice weather and not so many traffic...

Daniel, hello - this is Dr. Mike Groner and, somehow, for whatever reason, I came upon a message that you had sent (I imagine through the Expat system back in 2014 re: your interest in considering a move from Australia to Vietnam. Well, why I should have come upon this message on my own personal server, I cannot explain, however, I felt this immediate need to follow up with it.

Let me, first, explain to you that I am writing, now, from the USA where I have recently returned from Vietnam which had been my home for the previous 5-6 years. My partner is still there and I will be returning there near the end of this year.

While in Vietnam, I had been teaching ESL throughout all those years and will continue to upon my eventual return there. I being over 65 years of age is really why I took an interest in your message. Without knowing, of course, whether you had ever made it to Vietnam or had decided to remain in Australia is up for further discussion and disclosure by you. 

It just seems to me that for whatever reason, the stars may be aligned at this time to bring the two of us (and your family members) together at least in conversation, for now.

I, too, am a permanent resident of Australia where I have also been living for the past 40 years most of which had been with my family there - a son who now resides and coaches sport at a university in the US and a daughter who is a Veterinarian and remains in the Australia. So, therefore, there is more commonality between the two of us.

So, now as curious as I still am, I have this need to know if you are in Australia or in Vietnam or somewhere else and if you are not et in Vietnam, if you retain that interest from a few years back to go there to teach and the answer to your original question about being 65 y.o (in 2014) is YES, you certainly would be welcomed by many organizations to teach English there, since I am probably older than you and still teaching ESL.

Well, should you receive this message and share a similar curiosity in contacting me, then please be guided by your thoughts and reply to my message or contact me ***

Dr. Mike

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