Philippines Stopping Filipinas from Leaving As A Tourist?

vetretreat wrote:

tagalugin wrote:

Make your gf wear expensive-looking clothes. Not exactly expensive but something that will make her look intimidating enough to deflect the uninvited queries of the officials.

Most of the time, people judge you according to what you wear and how you wear it. People trust you if they can sense the confidence in you.

First, real intelligent response from some of your other blogs on other postings...

Blogs? I don't have blogs. I guess you are referring to my replies in a specific thread, i.e. Kenyan racer. Have you read the entirety of this particular thread? It's about legitimate Filipino tourists who can't leave the country due to the inane questions of the immigration officers. Have you got any ideas how to solve this problem? If none, then better be quiet.

stand corrected..Knew it would get me a reply....but I thought you had better things to do than being on Expat..

gonzrule wrote:

livingincebu wrote:

gonzrule wrote:

That's absurd. Despite all the documentations you presented, they offloaded you? You can sue them!

Good luck with that - suing the Philippine government? C'mon. You know that won't happen.

Because no one has ever done that. F*ck their bloated egos.

ha  bullet in the brain  from bike rider assasain     just doesnt sound like a good day

vetretreat wrote:

stand corrected..Knew it would get me a reply....but I thought you had better things to do than being on Expat..

I said I got other things to do, I didn't say they were better things or not.

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Mayumi2013 wrote:

It happened to me that the immigration offload me.. You just need to present more documents from the lawyer Like... Proof of income of your boyfriend from him... Stamped by his company Authenticated paperfrom a public lawyer that he will support you.. It's better if you will first fly to an Asean country then from there.. Process your visa for his country and do not fly from philippines for it's stricter

The issue here is, the Philippines should NOT prevent their citizens from leaving the country - period. You shouldn't have to show them ANYTHING, except your passport so they may stamp it on the way out.

Your people live in a republic, a government system similar to that of the US. The government do not have the right to tell Filipinos that they cannot leave their own country in order to travel abroad.

It is high time for the people of the Philippines to stand up to this. Do not let your government continue to hide their control over you, under the guise of protecting you from "Human Trafficking".

That is total and complete BS.

My 27 year old girlfriend, along with our baby, were almost prevented from leaving the country (earlier this year) to come be with me. If anyone leaving the Philippines were NOT going to be selling themselves as a prostitute, it certainly would be a woman leaving with her own child!

Filipinos, you are a wonderful, wonderful people. But, you are too easy going, too lenient. Please start standing up to your government and those who run it. Stop letting them dictate to you when, and where you may go if they allow you to leave the Philippines at all. You are a free people, not slaves. Do not let them continue to treat you as though you are.

Mayumi2013 wrote:

]You are 18
No way they will let you out...
You must have more important documents with you
Even if you're 18 they will ask for parents consent that you have to get from public lawyer..
Proof of income of your said friend..
Afidavit of support from lawyer
And invitation letter from him
The place where will you stay is unacceptable.. You must show the booking paper..
But the biggest issue is.. Your friend is just a friend..
If you will say you have a relationship it must be long time..
They will ask for financial assistance he's been giving you and how many times and when did he visit you
Plus you must fly with him..

There again, all of this is BS! What business is it of the government, if you wish to fly to another country where you may legally enter? They ask far too many questions. They want to know information that, simply put, is none of their damned business.

They do not need to know how long you will be away. They do not need to know who you are going to be with, while away.
If you are a grown person, over 18, they should not say anything to you, other than, "Have a safe flight." Unfortunately, that is not the case, though.

But, it can change, if YOU change it. If Filipinos stand up and make the government change their rules and regulations governing these actions.

As they say in the Philippines, "It's up to you."

nara nimo oi

Mayumi2013 wrote:

irvi wrote:

hello good day!!

   I am 18 Filipino, and I have a good friend in Pattaya Thailand.
he would like me to go there for visit.
   my plan is to get round trip ticket and maybe fly by February. I am planning to stay there for 15 days, I have 10,000 baht as pocket money and I have  a card for the hotel where my friend stays, the address and the room # are written on that card.
   so with all these that I have, could the immigration allow me for travelling or for entry?

      thank you!!

  please I really need answer..

You are 18
No way they will let you out...
You must have more important documents with you
Even if you're 18 they will ask for parents consent that you have to get from public lawyer..
Proof of income of your said friend..
Afidavit of support from lawyer
And invitation letter from him
The place where will you stay is unacceptable.. You must show the booking paper..
But the biggest issue is.. Your friend is just a friend..
If you will say you have a relationship it must be long time..
They will ask for financial assistance he's been giving you and how many times and when did he visit you
Plus you must fly with him..

First of all, you are 18 and you are of legal age. You do not need parents' consent.

Second, what's the use of having an invitation letter if you need to fly out with the friend?

That, my dear, you need to ask yourself.

Now, from my point of view, a person in the Philippines  who is 18 years old has never actually finished any bachelor or college degree, and therefore the means of income is not that bright. So where does a person of 18 y.o. get his/her money? That being said, the teenager's proof of income is questionable. Can he/she support the trip? What if anything bad happens to the tourist in Thailand? Can he/she afford health care bills? What about flight cancellation: Can he/she afford to buy other ticket off from Thailand going back to the home country?

That is one hurdle you need to go through. If you can't satisfy the immigration officer, then you can kiss your trip goodbye.

Another thing, a mere hotel card isn't enough. The hotel card is no proof the hotel still exists. You need solid evidence the accommodation is indeed in active service. Otherwise, again, you can kiss your trip goodbye. STRIKE TWO.

Your are 18 and HE is a male subject. DING DING DING DING DING! You just  set the alarm on. You know that the immigration is very skeptical about flying "wh*re". STRIKE THREE. You are out.

livingincebu wrote:

Mayumi2013 wrote:

It happened to me that the immigration offload me.. You just need to present more documents from the lawyer Like... Proof of income of your boyfriend from him... Stamped by his company Authenticated paperfrom a public lawyer that he will support you.. It's better if you will first fly to an Asean country then from there.. Process your visa for his country and do not fly from philippines for it's stricter

The issue here is, the Philippines should NOT prevent their citizens from leaving the country - period. You shouldn't have to show them ANYTHING, except your passport so they may stamp it on the way out.

Your people live in a republic, a government system similar to that of the US. The government do not have the right to tell Filipinos that they cannot leave their own country in order to travel abroad.

It is high time for the people of the Philippines to stand up to this. Do not let your government continue to hide their control over you, under the guise of protecting you from "Human Trafficking".

That is total and complete BS.

My 27 year old girlfriend, along with our baby, were almost prevented from leaving the country (earlier this year) to come be with me. If anyone leaving the Philippines were NOT going to be selling themselves as a prostitute, it certainly would be a woman leaving with her own child!

Filipinos, you are a wonderful, wonderful people. But, you are too easy going, too lenient. Please start standing up to your government and those who run it. Stop letting them dictate to you when, and where you may go if they allow you to leave the Philippines at all. You are a free people, not slaves. Do not let them continue to treat you as though you are.

This is very inspiring to hear but, unfortunately, Philippine republic is different from USA's. Recently, a Filipino woman was executed by China for being a drug pusher.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/07/03 … ilippines/

As long as Philippines is considered a third-world country, that it cannot generate enough jobs with good salaries to its citizens, people will always think of ways of going abroad, thinking the greener pasture is located somewhere out there but not here... and immigration officers will always be there to stop Filipinos who are thinking of going abroad and doing exactly what they believe they are planning to do.

Its idiotic! Is the Philipines a jail!  ????

Hi after reading this thread I suddenly worry about my trip this October.

I am planning on a 2-month vacation around mainland Southeast Asian countries moving from one country to another by train. I don't have a returning flight yet because I want to keep myself open for side trips. Also, I prefer booking my hotel accommodation to a city a few days before I go there. This will also be my first time to travel abroad. I'm also working freelance which means I can bring my work with me when I travel. This is why I can extend my trip as long as I want - well I can stay up to 30 days per country though. However, it also means I don't have a certificate of employment nor an employment ID.

Well I'm male though, I'm not being sexist, but I wonder if I will be subjected to the troubles your gf and some Filipina tourists had.

Please share some advice guys. I would truly appreciate it. Thanks


Best,

Jayson

The airlines can stop you if you do not have an onward ticket. That occurs irregardless of your citizenship. I am from US, and if I do not show an onward ticket, they will stop me.

Now, if you have your onward ticket and documentation, have not heard about them stopping males as its a human trafficking issue. But the receiving country's immigration can hassle you as they do not want anyone on a tourist visa working there, so dont say your a freelance.

you need to pay some lagay, as they say in the philippines. I had a friend who was refused boarding by the NAIA Terminal 3 immigration, on his way to Malaysia, Philippines is a stupid country for sure, keeping pinoys in their own country, for what? If they hold the girls prisoners in Philippines, then, more jobless girls will end up in the bars!

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Mayumi2013 wrote:

jayson the great wrote:

you need to pay some lagay, as they say in the philippines. I had a friend who was refused boarding by the NAIA Terminal 3 immigration, on his way to Malaysia, Philippines is a stupid country for sure, keeping pinoys in their own country, for what? If they hold the girls prisoners in Philippines, then, more jobless girls will end up in the bars!

It's not lagay
It's a person that will escort you until boarding and wait for you until you successfully flew
But if you won't be able to leave the country the person whose an agent indeed not an immigration officer will give back your payment
It's not 100 % sure that you'll be able to leave though

A Democratic Society is all about FREEDOM FOR ALL...

Mayumi2013

these people here are not knocking the philippine people   
not at all
  they are asking  very real and good questions  as to why the government refuses its citizens the rights to travel abroad.
Stop being so aggressive and lowering yourself to using bad language.  It lowers your ability to be seen as informative by people and lowers your class.

Some people have a very real problem with the laws here ( including most philipinos) and are just using this forum and others as a way of warning and venting their disappointment of the seemingly faliure of your government to provide equality to your people.

As a filipina  u of all people now living abroad  should know and agree with many of the above statements  but instead your pride is getting in the way of using your brain.
Sorry my dear  but u have been brainwashed into your pride  and therefore refuse to see the bigger picture as u fear of talking bad about your own country now that u have gained a little of a step up into a new class.
People like yourself who agree that this over scrutiny is a good thing are uninformed and a very real problem for a culture such as your own.....     U see it that there is no problem and that your government is only trying to protect it own people....

its a sham my dear   these laws  were laws passed for instances that have happened so rarely that i am  not even sure it would rate to as a percentage in statistics,,,
truth of the matter  a lot of the seemingly (victimization) that we hear about here with philipinos  osw abroad  is for whatever reason    not really back up by any real proof>>>>>?

anyway good luck in your endeavors and i hope u see the forest for the tree's   maybe  one day  someone such as yourself  could rise up out of your bonds and do something a little more posative for this country and help it get back on the right track

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hello there... i have a question.. is it possible for me to take a tour in thailand? im 19 yrs old... i dont have family in thailand im alone traveller im just going to meet my sister in law in thailand shes from abudhabi .. im from philippines..

Hi,

Most of the time it is difficult for a local to travel out of the country-even as a OFW, they try to make it difficult. I'm not Filipino but rather an expat here from the US.
I would contact or visit in person the closest Dept of Foreign affairs office to you. They will have the RIGHT, LEGAL answers you will need opposed to replies you might get here. If no foreign affairs office is close to you, there is one that is open even on Saturdays at Marquee Mall close to us in Angeles City.


Good Luck

wengbalobalo wrote:

hello there... i have a question.. is it possible for me to take a tour in thailand? im 19 yrs old... i dont have family in thailand im alone traveller im just going to meet my sister in law in thailand shes from abudhabi .. im from philippines..

Better than the blabla you can get on your question , i have bad news , it will be very difficult they let you go out , further more if it is your first trip (no stamps on the passport) .
THe best way is to be accompanied with a relative or a bf .
Even if law is with you or if you travel with a lawyer , the immigritation will not let you go through .
I feel sorry
Take care
 

wengbalobalo wrote:

hello there... i have a question.. is it possible for me to take a tour in thailand? im 19 yrs old... i dont have family in thailand im alone traveller im just going to meet my sister in law in thailand shes from abudhabi .. im from philippines..

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I am Canadian and living in Canada. I am planning a trip with my Filipina friend to Thailand where we will spend 5 days. Since there is no direct flight from Toronto to Bangkok, I will stop in Manila where I will meet my friend and we plan to fly together to Bangkok.

My first impulse was to go through Filipino custom like as if we did not know each other. However after reading this  forum, it seems it is best that we go through custom together .  My friend and I are closed but we are not in an official relationship. We had a vacation together earlier this year in another Asian city outside of the Philippines where she was able to travel there alone.

My question is: am I right to say that we should go through custom together ? What should I expect as questioning about our friendship?  Of course,  we have returned tickets to Manila for her and I. I have a returned ticket to  Toronto from Manila. Hotels are booked also.

Any advices are welcome on how to go through Filipino customs.

Best to go with her through immigration. Even if she was able to travel alone before, no guarantee.

Bernard , i did it already twice with my filipina gf .
Yes , you will be interviewed by immigration , more if your gf has NO stamp on her passport .
First NEVER LYE , the more interviewed will be your gf , and then , 2 or 3 people will come to you and ask you several questions , when you met ,how many times you came in the phils , where , how long ?? etc ... at least she should be your gf for 1 year , open your laptop , show pix , your facebook , smile , show you are happy to be with this girl and to make her happy to travel , stay relax ,,, the best way for me was to have no pressure , i told my gf and the immigration staff that if she is denied , i stay with her in phils ..this was true ... and always smiling and relax ...
And , the key was to show the western union tickets i sent to her , ok , it's a bit sad to say that , but this turned quickly the decision to 'OK you can go' , after signing some documents .
Enjoy !   

CanuckBernard wrote:

I am Canadian and living in Canada. I am planning a trip with my Filipina friend to Thailand where we will spend 5 days. Since there is no direct flight from Toronto to Bangkok, I will stop in Manila where I will meet my friend and we plan to fly together to Bangkok.

My first impulse was to go through Filipino custom like as if we did not know each other. However after reading this  forum, it seems it is best that we go through custom together .  My friend and I are closed but we are not in an official relationship. We had a vacation together earlier this year in another Asian city outside of the Philippines where she was able to travel there alone.

My question is: am I right to say that we should go through custom together ? What should I expect as questioning about our friendship?  Of course,  we have returned tickets to Manila for her and I. I have a returned ticket to  Toronto from Manila. Hotels are booked also.

Any advices are welcome on how to go through Filipino customs.

Bernard , show to the immigration the stamps proving you met in an other asian city , this is good stuff !!

LUC TINEYRE wrote:

Bernard , i did it already twice with my filipina gf .
Yes , you will be interviewed by immigration , more if your gf has NO stamp on her passport .
First NEVER LYE , the more interviewed will be your gf , and then , 2 or 3 people will come to you and ask you several questions , when you met ,how many times you came in the phils , where , how long ?? etc ... at least she should be your gf for 1 year , open your laptop , show pix , your facebook , smile , show you are happy to be with this girl and to make her happy to travel , stay relax ,,, the best way for me was to have no pressure , i told my gf and the immigration staff that if she is denied , i stay with her in phils ..this was true ... and always smiling and relax ...
And , the key was to show the western union tickets i sent to her , ok , it's a bit sad to say that , but this turned quickly the decision to 'OK you can go' , after signing some documents .
Enjoy !   

CanuckBernard wrote:

I am Canadian and living in Canada. I am planning a trip with my Filipina friend to Thailand where we will spend 5 days. Since there is no direct flight from Toronto to Bangkok, I will stop in Manila where I will meet my friend and we plan to fly together to Bangkok.

My first impulse was to go through Filipino custom like as if we did not know each other. However after reading this  forum, it seems it is best that we go through custom together .  My friend and I are closed but we are not in an official relationship. We had a vacation together earlier this year in another Asian city outside of the Philippines where she was able to travel there alone.

My question is: am I right to say that we should go through custom together ? What should I expect as questioning about our friendship?  Of course,  we have returned tickets to Manila for her and I. I have a returned ticket to  Toronto from Manila. Hotels are booked also.

Any advices are welcome on how to go through Filipino customs.

I will bring my Western Union receipts. However, they are only recent one since I throw away my old one. I did not expect them to be needed for this purpose.

Thank you for the advices. My friend and I are still just very closed friends and we know each other for many years now. Sadly, it is kind of hard to prove since we are both very private persons and I don't use Facebook for privacy reason.  Also this will be my first trip to the Philippines

Her passport and mine will be able to show that we were outside of Philippines at the same time and I have pictures of her on my phone from that time.

Again thanks for your advices.   It seems to be the best strategy to go through custom together. Also the hotel rooms are booked under my name and now, I am having trouble from them to issue letters that my friend will stay in their hotel.

Thanks

Ok , it is hard to say that , but if it is your first trip to philippins , how can you prove you love the gf ,,, this will amaze the imigration staff , for sure .
Maybe better to let her go alone at the imigration , if she already has stamps and moved alone to other countries ,, why going into troubles ??
difficult case , curious to read the others ... 

CanuckBernard wrote:

I will bring my Western Union receipts. However, they are only recent one since I throw away my old one. I did not expect them to be needed for this purpose.

Thank you for the advices. My friend and I are still just very closed friends and we know each other for many years now. Sadly, it is kind of hard to prove since we are both very private persons and I don't use Facebook for privacy reason.  Also this will be my first trip to the Philippines

Her passport and mine will be able to show that we were outside of Philippines at the same time and I have pictures of her on my phone from that time.

Again thanks for your advices.   It seems to be the best strategy to go through custom together. Also the hotel rooms are booked under my name and now, I am having trouble from them to issue letters that my friend will stay in their hotel.

Thanks

As I explained I need to do a stop in Manila for one day from Canada to Bangkok since there is no direct flight from Canada to Thailand.

Now even if we go through custom separately, I pay for all hotels, plane tickets so my name will appear on the receipts.   Our relationship has been in recent years mostly an online one where we chatted a lot. We met for the first time this year outside of the PH. This trip will be our second trip together.

I understand that there are no sure way to guarantee that she will be allowed to go on the trip. The immigration officer can decide to deny for whatever reasons he or she has on that day.

I appreciate your inputs.

I had same problem for my classmate too.
Last year, my 4 classmates went here to Singapore as their graduation gift to themselves.
My first classmate arrived a day earlier than the others and the immigration stopped her from going out of the country. They asked many questions like what will you do yo that country? Where will you stay and for how long? How much money are you bringing in? And what is your current work?
My classmate had all the important documents like the invitation letter, return ticket, copy of my identification card and for my mother as well, because my classmates will be staying at my home. She also provide our planned tour and had enough budget to survive for her 2weeks trip. She told the immigration that she still don't have a work because she just graduated and want to enjoy a long vacation that's why she's going to other country.
But the immigration still insist. They even accused my classmate that she will not return to Philippines and stay to Singapore illegaly. She told them also that her budget is not enough to survive for 2weeks.
And at the end, my classmate cried in front of the immigration officer and beg to allow her to leave blah blah that she only wants a vacation, that her family is in philippines and promised that she will return. Then the immigration officer grant her.

Meanwhile, in the immigration in Singapore, she didn't had any problem. The immigration even welcomed her and gave her sweets.

Maybe it depends on the aura of the person. If they think that you have a weak personality and lack of confidence, that's the problem gonna start.

Hi Anne victory , very interesting story , full of meaning about the criterias of how phil immigration can stop or deny , even if everything is correctly settled ... i 100 % agree about aura of the person , if the girl looks like a unconfident young weak bird , this is problem ...crual world ;;   

Annevictory wrote:

I had same problem for my classmate too.
Last year, my 4 classmates went here to Singapore as their graduation gift to themselves.
My first classmate arrived a day earlier than the others and the immigration stopped her from going out of the country. They asked many questions like what will you do yo that country? Where will you stay and for how long? How much money are you bringing in? And what is your current work?
My classmate had all the important documents like the invitation letter, return ticket, copy of my identification card and for my mother as well, because my classmates will be staying at my home. She also provide our planned tour and had enough budget to survive for her 2weeks trip. She told the immigration that she still don't have a work because she just graduated and want to enjoy a long vacation that's why she's going to other country.
But the immigration still insist. They even accused my classmate that she will not return to Philippines and stay to Singapore illegaly. She told them also that her budget is not enough to survive for 2weeks.
And at the end, my classmate cried in front of the immigration officer and beg to allow her to leave blah blah that she only wants a vacation, that her family is in philippines and promised that she will return. Then the immigration officer grant her.

Meanwhile, in the immigration in Singapore, she didn't had any problem. The immigration even welcomed her and gave her sweets.

Maybe it depends on the aura of the person. If they think that you have a weak personality and lack of confidence, that's the problem gonna start.

Hi, my Filipina wife and I are living in a Florida USA and have been married  for a while now.. She is a nurse and we met here in states. We will be living in Cebu in 2 years. I have been through it all already. I have  seen the good and the bad. And you know, sometimes you really can't blame  US or any immigration for that matter for refusing to grant tourist visas. I have seen a lot of Filipinas come here to "supposedly" be a wife and then just end up leaving to find someone else or just trying to get their money and then marrying someone else.. It's disgusting. The more that filipinas do this (and they still do) the more they will not be trusted. And that ruins it for the Filipinas who are honest.

arty5987 wrote:

Hi, my Filipina wife and I are living in a Florida USA and have been married  for a while now.. She is a nurse and we met here in states. We will be living in Cebu in 2 years. I have been through it all already. I have  seen the good and the bad. And you know, sometimes you really can't blame  US or any immigration for that matter for refusing to grant tourist visas. I have seen a lot of Filipinas come here to "supposedly" be a wife and then just end up leaving to find someone else or just trying to get their money and then marrying someone else.. It's disgusting. The more that filipinas do this (and they still do) the more they will not be trusted. And that ruins it for the Filipinas who are honest.

Just look at all those sweet American girls who marry the unsuspecting men and within 2 years take em to the cleaners for 50% or more of their equity...Give me a Filipina any day..