Divorce In Egypt!!

mtl wrote:

he is muslim..but do i have to come egypt for divorce..for example what if i have lawyer and he do it for me..coz i scare that if i go there he will not let me come back..im muslim too...

He can NOT keep you from returning.

Yes you can find a lawyer, make a Power of Attorney for him, attest it from the Egyptian consulate/embassy in Turkey .......

mtl wrote:

and what is khol? so i have to go to court...?and how much cost i will pay for this..??do i need lawyer..

Khol' is unilateral divorce on the woman's side, and she has to give back her dowry and any gifts from the husband. Yes you do need a lawyer, you will pay something in the neighbourhood of 5-10K EGP.


You might be still single in Turkey, but if you do not get proper divorce in Egypt, and get married in Turkey .... First of all it will be "Zina" according to Islam, second of all, if your husband finds out, attests your marriage in Turkish embassy and seeks legal action in Turkey, you could go to jail for happing multiple simultaneous husbands.

yes i know it..so why i want to divorce in egypt..ok thank you very much..it helped so much..

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Khul'a is a divorce procedure initiated by the woman, who is seeking separation from her husband by returning the 'mahr' (dowry) to her husband. this should be done through a judge or sheikh who will handle the divorce procedures.

While according to the Qanoon (civil law) the woman should have some serious grounds such as lack of maintenance, being deserted for more than 4 months, man refusing marital relations etc, according to classical Shariah, 'disliking the man' is a sufficient ground.

Because of the diaspora between shariah and civil laws adopted by Arab and other muslim countries, often a couple find themselves in a problematic situations. Sometime a woman might end up divorced according to civil law but not shariah, and vice versa.

So in order to make sure one's divorce complies both in terms of shariah and qanoon, one should put himself of a person who knows both laws and procedure. Standard lawyers are only trained in Qanoon, not religious studies.

Choosing whether to proceed in terms of Khul'a or talaq has grave consequences even at the end of the divorce procedures themselves.

For instance, in the instance of a khul'a the man won;t be able to take the woman back at the end of the idda' period which is only 1 menstrual cycle. In case of Talaq,  the idda' period is instead 3 menstrual cycles, despite the qanoon sets 3 months, and the man will be able to take back the woman has his wife during this waiting period, even without her consent.

The woman has right to full maintenance during this 3 months period, and she retains her dowry.

i think khol is a bad word...

yes?

Khol' (with an apostrophe at the end indicating a pharyngeal fricative, is not a bad word.

I have a similar problem, I am English living in the UK, my 'husband' is egyptian living in Egypt. I have been told I can get the marriage annulled because no dowry was paid and other protocol was not followed. I don't know .. it was all in Egyptian?? I am Christian, he is Muslim.
How do I get this divorce without having to travel to Egypt?

tui wrote:

I have a similar problem, I am English living in the UK, my 'husband' is egyptian living in Egypt. I have been told I can get the marriage annulled because no dowry was paid and other protocol was not followed. I don't know .. it was all in Egyptian?? I am Christian, he is Muslim.
How do I get this divorce without having to travel to Egypt?

Unfortunately, you have to file for it at a court in Egypt. You can ask a friend to find a TRUSTWORTHY lawyer for you (can't stress it more ..... TRUSTWORTHY) to do it on your behalf.

So, how can I find a trustworthy lawyer in Egypt?

tui wrote:

So, how can I find a trustworthy lawyer in Egypt?

through friends ..... I am away from Egypt now so I am sorry I cannot help

there is many firm in egypt doing this job..and i think we can make power of attorney and send them so no need to go egypt..but can i trust to this kind of firm?i spoke with one of them..

Can someone advise on any lawyers in Egypt to conduct divorce proceedings from Egypt so that I dont have to travel there ? I am married to a Muslim Egyptian who has been away from me for more than a year. I am Christian and in UK. I cannot find any specialist lawyers who deal with this.

Yes there is specialist lawyer..u can look online And call..Its baroudy law firm..He is good So Why i prefer him..

Maybe contact your Ministry of Foreign Affairs?

Hi i want to find out some information about egyptian divorce and marriage ......I am canadian and i married an egyptian man in may 2012....he was married before and divorced her in May 2012 also.... i married him and came back to Canada...he has 3 children with egyptian wife he divorced ....he sent me divorce papers in arabic and english ...on these papers it says his divorce is a first revocable....If he got divorced in a court is this possible to have a revocable divorce from her ....and how do i find out if he took her back as wife after i left Egypt ....he also said he will send me a family revealed paper ...will this paper tell me if he has taken her back as his wife again .....PLEASE IF ANYONE CAN HELP ME I WOULD BE SO GRATEFUL TO YOU >>>>GOD BLESS>>>>> I pray to get answers

i wait for answers and i do not know what i do

I will be home in an hour and will anawer in detail. Too diff to write a log reply via iphone

newfiechicky wrote:

Hi i want to find out some information about egyptian divorce and marriage ......I am canadian and i married an egyptian man in may 2012....he was married before and divorced her in May 2012 also.... i married him and came back to Canada...he has 3 children with egyptian wife he divorced ....he sent me divorce papers in arabic and english ...on these papers it says his divorce is a first revocable....If he got divorced in a court is this possible to have a revocable divorce from her ....and how do i find out if he took her back as wife after i left Egypt ....he also said he will send me a family revealed paper ...will this paper tell me if he has taken her back as his wife again .....PLEASE IF ANYONE CAN HELP ME I WOULD BE SO GRATEFUL TO YOU >>>>GOD BLESS>>>>> I pray to get answers

Let me give you some background on divorce in Egypt.

Now your husband divorced his ex-wife. He had two choices :

1- To take her with him to the registrar to divorce her, in such case it will be "First, Final"

2- To go alone (for any reason, she might not want to go for instance) .... In such case it will be "first, revocable".

Let me explain to you what First, Final and Revocable all mean. Please pay attention to all details, some might seem irrelevant, but will help you understand the whole situation.


First is simple, means this is the first divorce between both of them.

Why is it written? Since after a third divorce, they cannot remarry each other (unless the ex-wife got married to another husband and divorced later on, in such case she can return to her original husband).



Now what does revocable and final mean?

After a divorce (any divorce, first or third, revocable or not), a divorced woman has to have a waiting period of 3 menstrual cycles, 4 months, or until she delivers her baby if she's pregnant (whichever longer of the three).

If the divorce is a third, as said earlier they cannot remarry.

If the divorce is a first or a second, and is revocable, it means he can take her back even without her consent, only during the waiting period without "remarrying", it is called "taking back". If he does not take her back during the waiting period and it elapses, the divorce becomes FINAL.

If the divorce is Final {whether it was a First or Second Final on paper, or it was First or Second revocable on paper, and the waiting period elapsed without taking her back), it means they can remarry, but he cannot take her back without her consent (i.e.: they'd have to go together to the registrar, and both will have to consent to remarrying each other).

Now about this "family revealed paper". I think he literally translated it. It is called "Family Record", but the word كشف in Arabic means both .

This document if issued recently (you have to check the issuance date) should show all his marriage and divorce history. It will show his ex-wife, with two lines, one indicating marriage the other indicating divorce with the dates, as well as you as his current wife with the marriage date.

However, there is a little caveat here.

This document is computer-generated, printed from the records of the National Identity database, and is acquired from the offices of the Civil Status Authority of Egypt (http://www.cso.gov.eg/).

What happens is, when two people get married, if both are Egyptians they get married at a registrar's office, if either is foreigner they get married at Ministry of Justice. In both cases, as you may remember, you sign and put fingerprints and photos on Five originals.

One of those originals must be submitted eventually to the Civil Status Authority, and it gets entered (manually of course) into the system, and afterwards it reflects in the Family Record.

However due to the massive volume of documents, there is a backlog and it takes any time between 2 and 6 months for any update in status (marriage, divorce .....etc.) to reflect in the Family record.

So it means, a Family Record printed today, showing only you as the current wife, means he has not taken her back, and they have not remarried each other but only up to 2-6 months ago.


Hope that clears up any confusion.

thanks so much for the information ....i am really trying to understand all this ...but there are still some concerns i see ....on translated paper to english says ;;;
Issuance Authority = Family Entry Site
Date of Issuance 24/10/2012

I do not see two lines for exwife ...but i do see marriage to me and date
marriage to exwife and date
and divorce to exwife and date 09/05/2012
from your experience i wonder do you think this is legit papers and also should i ask for a new family revealed paper up to date .....is there expiry date on this paper ??
I am sorry to ask all these questions but i have no where else to turn and i am very grateful to you ....i wait to hear from you again ....Thank you very very much

newfiechicky wrote:

thanks so much for the information ....i am really trying to understand all this ...but there are still some concerns i see ....on translated paper to english says ;;;
Issuance Authority = Family Entry Site
Date of Issuance 24/10/2012

I do not see two lines for exwife ...but i do see marriage to me and date
marriage to exwife and date
and divorce to exwife and date 09/05/2012
from your experience i wonder do you think this is legit papers and also should i ask for a new family revealed paper up to date .....is there expiry date on this paper ??
I am sorry to ask all these questions but i have no where else to turn and i am very grateful to you ....i wait to hear from you again ....Thank you very very much

Authority is irrelevant. Date of issuance means the date the document was generated/printed from the system and indicates the status as of that date.

If you see marriage and divorce of ex-wife it means he has not remarried her.

Yes it is legit.

You can ask for a new one, you can even order it yourself if you are in Egypt. Expiry is 3 months from issuance.

Thanks you so much ....God Bless you

please check in USA embassy 1st they will lead you to right way

regards

I need assitance PLEASE.................

BACK GROUND:
Married a Egyptian man 2011, he is Muslim, Im Christian.  He lives in Egypt, I live in the USA.
He had a First Revocable Divorce  8 days before we married , we married at Ministry of Justice in Cairo.   1 year later he went back to his  1st Egyptian wife without ever telling me.
I supported him whole time we were married, he never even paid me a dowry at marriage.......

Question:  Can he do a First Revocable Divorce for us in my absence (as he did with his Egyptian/Muslim wife)

Our marriage was not legal in USA cause USA dont accept Pologamy, but it was legal in Egypt........ so Im only married in Egypt, not USA.    Can a First Revocable Divorce in Egypt work, he can not take me back as I will never step foot in Egypt during the Iddat period (90 days) or even after that. AND after the 90 days, how can I prove the divorce is FINAL?

Thank you in advance for your assitance on this matter.

I should start charging for my replies

Anyways,

Yes he can do a first revocable divorce

However, even if you do not sit foot in Egypt during Idda he can take you back


You'd need to wait a few months after the 90 days and get a Family Record for him from Egypt to make sure he did not take you back

Haaa. yes your answers are worth a fortune!!!!! 
Thank you so much for your assistance.........
May Allah always bless you and your family.........

And trust me , he wont take me back, I threated to sue him for  over 80,000 LE I gave him during marriage, cause he never supported me at all during marriage........  and I have all the Western Union recipts to prove it!!!

Thank you again, and God bless you..........

What's up with all the Egyptian men living off their foreign wives' money?


This is quite disgusting, unmanly, and seriously irritating


Please accept my apologies ....... a true Egyptian man would never do this

I know that my Good Sir.......... I was just unlucky and too trusting........   
May I ask 1 further question?    Can I obtain the Family Record you mentioned in your Golden reply? (again without me stepping foot in Egypt)  I do have friends there that can assist in obtaining it for me.........

Again thank you in advance for your much helpful assistance.

So Lost wrote:

I know that my Good Sir.......... I was just unlucky and too trusting........   
May I ask 1 further question?    Can I obtain the Family Record you mentioned in your Golden reply? (again without me stepping foot in Egypt)  I do have friends there that can assist in obtaining it for me.........

Again thank you in advance for your much helpful assistance.

no, your friends cannot, you have to go yourself and have your marriage certificate with you, but anyways, he cannot touch you while you are in Egypt .......

This paper from the Civil Status Dept, (Family Record) will be like a (Final Divorce Decree) after 3 months, IF he dont get sneaky and take me back without my knowing?   

Egyptian law will show firmly we are finally/final divorced?
No claims to each other ever again?

No taking back UNLESS we marry again correct? and I can marry here in USA without worries Im still married in Egypt?

Sorry for all the questions, been reading all night long on this topic from whatever I could Google/Bing on it.

Thank you for your kindness.....

So Lost wrote:

This paper from the Civil Status Dept, (Family Record) will be like a (Final Divorce Decree) after 3 months, IF he dont get sneaky and take me back without my knowing?   

Egyptian law will show firmly we are finally/final divorced?
No claims to each other ever again?

No taking back UNLESS we marry again correct? and I can marry here in USA without worries Im still married in Egypt?

Sorry for all the questions, been reading all night long on this topic from whatever I could Google/Bing on it.

Thank you for your kindness.....

I will reply late in the evening.

Can you recommend a good, cheap attorney in Cairo?
I want a Irrecovavble divorce in Egypt....... I just cant trust him to do right thing, and I know he will sign the papers...
Need peace of mind of the words FINAL on the Bill of Divorce.

No need for a lawyer

If he could go to lazoghly with u and sign it will be final after idda and he cannot take u back without ur consent

We have used Karim Assem for several cases. They have been very well handled by the team there. If it's cheap or not I can't really say anything about - but we got the result we were looking for.

Assem Law Office in Downtown, Cairo +20 2 2795 8435

I see, but I have no intentions of stepping foot in Egypt for a long time,  its a shame, i love it there, wanted to make my home there.....

thank you!!!

So Lost wrote:

I see, but I have no intentions of stepping foot in Egypt for a long time,  its a shame, i love it there, wanted to make my home there.....

I have a feeling you have some misinformation leading to this decision.

Just PM me if you need anything further. Kareem (the lawyer) speaks English fluently though, so I think you will be fine.